The GOAT
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@ACT-Crusader said in The GOAT:
@voodoo the talent around Russell was very good as well - Havlicek, Cousy, Sam and KC Jones, Heinsohn, Sharman.
the talent around Brady has been pretty impressive as well - not least Bill Belichek.
This is a great thread, by the way.
> I'm also voting against Usain Bolt (and any track/field, or cycling to be fair), as PED are just too likely.
https://medium.com/@tomnew/usain-bolt-lance-armstrong-and-the-duck-test-303b7b891e7e
Agreed - that list of the top 40 fastest times ever run, with the caught-dopers marked in red, is exactly what I was hoping to see when I clicked on that link.
It just seems so obvious that the 100m sprint is actually a background prize for chemists, "best at doping, and hiding doping"Have to rule out all cyclists as well, because they all dope
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@mariner4life said in The GOAT:
@voodoo 5
Bah, come on, he wasn't better than Magic or Bird! You could convince me that he was better than Wilt, that's it. No way he's higher than 7
What I would say, is that anyone who has Kobe ahead of him (and there are PLENTY) is a fool.
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People only rate Bird so high because he is white, and they need someone to cling on to
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@ACT-Crusader said in The GOAT:
@voodoo the talent around Russell was very good as well - Havlicek, Cousy, Sam and KC Jones, Heinsohn, Sharman.
the talent around Brady has been pretty impressive as well - not least Bill Belichek.
This is a great thread, by the way.
> I'm also voting against Usain Bolt (and any track/field, or cycling to be fair), as PED are just too likely.
https://medium.com/@tomnew/usain-bolt-lance-armstrong-and-the-duck-test-303b7b891e7e
Agreed - that list of the top 40 fastest times ever run, with the caught-dopers marked in red, is exactly what I was hoping to see when I clicked on that link.
It just seems so obvious that the 100m sprint is actually a background prize for chemists, "best at doping, and hiding doping"Have to rule out all cyclists as well, because they all dope
did that already fella
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@mariner4life said in The GOAT:
People only rate Bird so high because he is white, and they need someone to cling on to
Terrible take! 3 titles in an era where the Lakers were also stacked, was basically a 50/40/90 guy for his entire career (!!!) to go with 10 rebounds and 6 assists, 2 assists and a block.
3 all defensive teams (not bad for a white guy), 2 finals MVP's.
He would be so amazing in the league today - he was a career 38% 3pt shooter and he only jacked 2pg - these days he would be shooting 10 of them
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@voodoo so he hit a 3 every other game? wooooooo
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@mariner4life said in The GOAT:
People only rate Bird so high because he is white, and they need someone to cling on to
Bird had that killer instinct edge about him. Many a player (black or white) have not even come close to his competitiveness. It helped that he could also play the game. In a Celtics offence that was very structured, Bird created a lot of instinctual stuff that wreaked havoc on opposition players - just ask Nique, Chuck Person, Magic, etc.
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@mariner4life said in The GOAT:
@voodoo so he hit a 3 every other game? wooooooo
the glory days when I didn't have to watch 50 fucking 3pt attempts every game and people remembered how to post up still
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@mariner4life said in The GOAT:
@voodoo so he hit a 3 every other game? wooooooo
the glory days when I didn't have to watch 50 fucking 3pt attempts every game and people remembered how to post up still
not this again grandad
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@mariner4life yeah I know, I know. But it's getting worse. Now apparently it's OK to pull up from the logo with 20 seconds left on the shot clock, fuck you Steph Curry, you're ruining it for everyone, not everyone can shoot like you (BTW, if you haven't looked at his stats this year, go check them out, they're amazing)
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@mariner4life yeah I know, I know. But it's getting worse. Now apparently it's OK to pull up from the logo with 20 seconds left on the shot clock, fuck you Steph Curry, you're ruining it for everyone, not everyone can shoot like you (BTW, if you haven't looked at his stats this year, go check them out, they're amazing)
Steph is killing it. The amount of shit that guy gets online though is out of control.
Warriors Spurs yesterday they lost but Curry stuck up 32
And in today's repeat he's stuck up another 32 in what is looking like a big win.
Averaging 30/6/6 with a steal thrown in for good measure. not bad for someone who sucks without a team of All Stars
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@mariner4life said in The GOAT:
@mariner4life yeah I know, I know. But it's getting worse. Now apparently it's OK to pull up from the logo with 20 seconds left on the shot clock, fuck you Steph Curry, you're ruining it for everyone, not everyone can shoot like you (BTW, if you haven't looked at his stats this year, go check them out, they're amazing)
Steph is killing it. The amount of shit that guy gets online though is out of control.
Warriors Spurs yesterday they lost but Curry stuck up 32
And in today's repeat he's stuck up another 32 in what is looking like a big win.
Averaging 30/6/6 with a steal thrown in for good measure. not bad for someone who sucks without a team of All Stars
On .484/.430/.939 shooting!!!
It's even more outrageous when you think he has to create most of his own own shots, and doesn't have anyone else (like Klay and Triple Single) drawing attention on the perimeter.
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@antipodean said in The GOAT:
Edwin Moses has to be in the conversation for athletes. Two Olympic gold medals, 4 world records, and he won 107 consecutive finals in the 400 m hurdles. That last feat is amazing.
Agreed. In terms of dominance it's those types of individuals (Bradman, Moses, Redgrave, Merckz etc.) who need to be foremost in discussion of "greatest of all time" - people who commit feats unlikely to be replicated. That being said, even dominance alone isn't enough, otherwise we'd be cheering Alan Francis.
Would you go Jordan over Chamberlain? Marciano over Ali/ Foreman/ Louis? Pele vs Ronaldo/ Messi?
Brady has to be the GOAT for NFL given his amazing longevity and winning percentage. I still place Richie above Brady because of Richie's achievements in a position incomparable in terms of physical punishment on the body.
For women it's hard to go past the level of dominance Heather McKay, who was so good even Jahangir Khan didn't match her. Lost only two matches in her entire career (in 1960 and 1962), and was unbeaten in competitive squash matches from 1962 through to 1981. That's owning a sport.
Someone mentioned he didn’t bowl which is possibly a fair call.....but an all rounder would need a sub 25 bowling average and a 50 plus batting average to even warrant a comparison in my opinion.
No one has really come close to that, ever.
Perhaps a specialist bowler would need a substantial career averaging under 15 or even 10 ?
Pretty close - yet seldom mentioned
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Not really. He’d need to be a considerably better bowler to enter the discussion. Not a slight on Kallis who is an absolute Hall of Famer.....more a tribute to Bradman the freak.
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@antipodean said in The GOAT:
Edwin Moses has to be in the conversation for athletes. Two Olympic gold medals, 4 world records, and he won 107 consecutive finals in the 400 m hurdles. That last feat is amazing.
Agreed. In terms of dominance it's those types of individuals (Bradman, Moses, Redgrave, Merckz etc.) who need to be foremost in discussion of "greatest of all time" - people who commit feats unlikely to be replicated. That being said, even dominance alone isn't enough, otherwise we'd be cheering Alan Francis.
Would you go Jordan over Chamberlain? Marciano over Ali/ Foreman/ Louis? Pele vs Ronaldo/ Messi?
Brady has to be the GOAT for NFL given his amazing longevity and winning percentage. I still place Richie above Brady because of Richie's achievements in a position incomparable in terms of physical punishment on the body.
For women it's hard to go past the level of dominance Heather McKay, who was so good even Jahangir Khan didn't match her. Lost only two matches in her entire career (in 1960 and 1962), and was unbeaten in competitive squash matches from 1962 through to 1981. That's owning a sport.
Someone mentioned he didn’t bowl which is possibly a fair call.....but an all rounder would need a sub 25 bowling average and a 50 plus batting average to even warrant a comparison in my opinion.
No one has really come close to that, ever.
Perhaps a specialist bowler would need a substantial career averaging under 15 or even 10 ?
Pretty close - yet seldom mentioned
Jacques Kallis Profile - Cricket Player South Africa | Stats, Records, Video
Read about Jacques Kallis cricket player from South Africa profile, stats, rankings, records, videos, photos at ESPNcricinfo
Not really. He’d need to be a considerably better bowler to enter the discussion. Not a slight on Kallis who is an absolute Hall of Famer.....more a tribute to Bradman the freak.
It's a credit to Bradman's freakish record that Sobers and Kallis aren't considered better even with legit all time great batting figures and good bowling figures.
Random point for Wilt - apparently the keyhole was redrawn because of his ridiculous dominance.
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@antipodean said in The GOAT:
Edwin Moses has to be in the conversation for athletes. Two Olympic gold medals, 4 world records, and he won 107 consecutive finals in the 400 m hurdles. That last feat is amazing.
Agreed. In terms of dominance it's those types of individuals (Bradman, Moses, Redgrave, Merckz etc.) who need to be foremost in discussion of "greatest of all time" - people who commit feats unlikely to be replicated. That being said, even dominance alone isn't enough, otherwise we'd be cheering Alan Francis.
Would you go Jordan over Chamberlain? Marciano over Ali/ Foreman/ Louis? Pele vs Ronaldo/ Messi?
Brady has to be the GOAT for NFL given his amazing longevity and winning percentage. I still place Richie above Brady because of Richie's achievements in a position incomparable in terms of physical punishment on the body.
For women it's hard to go past the level of dominance Heather McKay, who was so good even Jahangir Khan didn't match her. Lost only two matches in her entire career (in 1960 and 1962), and was unbeaten in competitive squash matches from 1962 through to 1981. That's owning a sport.
Someone mentioned he didn’t bowl which is possibly a fair call.....but an all rounder would need a sub 25 bowling average and a 50 plus batting average to even warrant a comparison in my opinion.
No one has really come close to that, ever.
Perhaps a specialist bowler would need a substantial career averaging under 15 or even 10 ?
Pretty close - yet seldom mentioned
Jacques Kallis Profile - Cricket Player South Africa | Stats, Records, Video
Read about Jacques Kallis cricket player from South Africa profile, stats, rankings, records, videos, photos at ESPNcricinfo
Not really. He’d need to be a considerably better bowler to enter the discussion. Not a slight on Kallis who is an absolute Hall of Famer.....more a tribute to Bradman the freak.
It's a credit to Bradman's freakish record that Sobers and Kallis aren't considered better even with legit all time great batting figures and good bowling figures.
Random point for Wilt - apparently the keyhole was redrawn because of his ridiculous dominance.
Indeed. Or Imran with legit all time great bowling figures and good batting figures. Or Beefy for the same if he retired earlier....
The keyhole is the 3 point line in basketball. It used to look like a keyhole (hence the name), but it had to be widened substantially because of Wilt.
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@antipodean said in The GOAT:
Edwin Moses has to be in the conversation for athletes. Two Olympic gold medals, 4 world records, and he won 107 consecutive finals in the 400 m hurdles. That last feat is amazing.
Agreed. In terms of dominance it's those types of individuals (Bradman, Moses, Redgrave, Merckz etc.) who need to be foremost in discussion of "greatest of all time" - people who commit feats unlikely to be replicated. That being said, even dominance alone isn't enough, otherwise we'd be cheering Alan Francis.
Would you go Jordan over Chamberlain? Marciano over Ali/ Foreman/ Louis? Pele vs Ronaldo/ Messi?
Brady has to be the GOAT for NFL given his amazing longevity and winning percentage. I still place Richie above Brady because of Richie's achievements in a position incomparable in terms of physical punishment on the body.
For women it's hard to go past the level of dominance Heather McKay, who was so good even Jahangir Khan didn't match her. Lost only two matches in her entire career (in 1960 and 1962), and was unbeaten in competitive squash matches from 1962 through to 1981. That's owning a sport.
Someone mentioned he didn’t bowl which is possibly a fair call.....but an all rounder would need a sub 25 bowling average and a 50 plus batting average to even warrant a comparison in my opinion.
No one has really come close to that, ever.
Perhaps a specialist bowler would need a substantial career averaging under 15 or even 10 ?
Pretty close - yet seldom mentioned
Jacques Kallis Profile - Cricket Player South Africa | Stats, Records, Video
Read about Jacques Kallis cricket player from South Africa profile, stats, rankings, records, videos, photos at ESPNcricinfo
Not really. He’d need to be a considerably better bowler to enter the discussion. Not a slight on Kallis who is an absolute Hall of Famer.....more a tribute to Bradman the freak.
It's a credit to Bradman's freakish record that Sobers and Kallis aren't considered better even with legit all time great batting figures and good bowling figures.
Random point for Wilt - apparently the keyhole was redrawn because of his ridiculous dominance.
They first widened it because of George Mikan, then again because of Wilt
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@mariner4life @voodoo the Steph revenge tour goes on. It’s a credit to Steph that he can do what he does because of his unbelievable work ethic. He pulled up from the logo in the game because he hit 5 in a row in the warmups. How many in practice sessions, scrimmages...
He will go down as the GOAT shooter.
