World Test Championship
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Pitch has a bit of turn
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@nzzp said in World Test Championship:
Pant's catch to Pope is magnificent. Amazing athleticism. Not a great keeper, but goddamn that is a world class catch
Pant is some cricketer. He’s an improving keeper, but his batting is something special.
Averaging 44 with more than 1100 runs in 29 innings at a SR of 70+.
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@ACT-Crusader said in World Test Championship:
@nzzp said in World Test Championship:
Pant's catch to Pope is magnificent. Amazing athleticism. Not a great keeper, but goddamn that is a world class catch
Pant is some cricketer. He’s an improving keeper, but his batting is something special.
Averaging 44 with more than 1100 runs in 29 innings at a SR of 70+.
spot on. Good description by the way - 'improving' keeping. But the batting - absolutely fearless and quite remarkable. Great to watch.
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@nzzp he’s only 23 so we have another decade of him and possibly a future captain [jinx alert]
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@ACT-Crusader said in World Test Championship:
@nzzp he’s only 23 so we have another decade of him and possibly a future captain [jinx alert]
haha, get the jinx in early.
Was it the Pakistani Akmal who was a keeper who looked a million dollars early, but just fell apart?
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@nzzp I think there were two of them - brothers.
Umar was the batsman who looked like a million dollars, Kamran was mainly a keeper who wasn't particularly great. But, cricinfo tells me Umar also kept wicket.
A similar case to Umar - who remembers Vinod Kambli? Came up through the grades with Sachin and they were supposed to be twins in talent. Poor old Vinod - dropped with a test average of 54 and never played again.
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@Siam said in World Test Championship:
@nzzp i think you're right. 2 things I'm wary of for follow ons is choosing to bat last and the pattern that the following on innings is always heaps better than their first. Always drags out longer than hoped, I reckon
Yeah - on this pitch I reckon it would be madness to enforce the follow-on.
I can't see any way it is going to get better to bat on, so the only way India loses from here is if England somehow struggles past their total and then they (India) get bowled out for 50 on a minefield.
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@Chris-B said in World Test Championship:
@nzzp I think there were two of them - brothers.
Umar was the batsman who looked like a million dollars, Kamran was mainly a keeper who wasn't particularly great. But, cricinfo tells me Umar also kept wicket.
A similar case to Umar - who remembers Vinod Kambli? Came up through the grades with Sachin and they were supposed to be twins in talent. Poor old Vinod - dropped with a test average of 54 and never played again.
I remember watching Umar Akmal get a ton on debut vs us and definitely thinking we had a new little master on the scene. From that one innings he appeared to have everything but then I see he hasn't played a test in 10 years and has a pretty unexceptional average of 35.
Vinod Kambli was a funny one, he broke all sorts of records at school with Tendulkar then followed him into the test team. You'd imagine if he actually kicked on as he should have a 3/4/5 grouping of Dravid, Tendulkar and him would have possibly been the best in test history.
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@Chris-B said in World Test Championship:
@nzzp I think there were two of them - brothers.
Umar was the batsman who looked like a million dollars, Kamran was mainly a keeper who wasn't particularly great. But, cricinfo tells me Umar also kept wicket.
A similar case to Umar - who remembers Vinod Kambli? Came up through the grades with Sachin and they were supposed to be twins in talent. Poor old Vinod - dropped with a test average of 54 and never played again.
There was a third brother who played for Pakistan who also kept I think. Might have been Adnan?
Kamran also exploded onto the scene and was a pretty effective short form batsman. Managed tons in consecutive ODIs at one point. Was a bit shaky as a keeper (as was Umar, pretty sure they said that it was the third brother that kept when they were kids).
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Just on Vinod Kambli, he still has the highest average of any Indian batsmen with 54.20 ( this really surprised me for a country that obsesses over their little masters ) and there's only been five guys in their history who have averaged over 50......( Virender Sehwag agonisingly close at 49.43 )
Our KW currently averages more than all of them god bless him.
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@MN5 said in World Test Championship:
Just on Vinod Kambli, he still has the highest average of any Indian batsmen with 54.20 ( this really surprised me for a country that obsesses over their little masters ) and there's only been five guys in their history who have averaged over 50......( Virender Sehwag agonisingly close at 49.43 )
That’s because Kambli only played one test match outside the subcontinent and that was against us in Hamilton....
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@ACT-Crusader said in World Test Championship:
@MN5 said in World Test Championship:
Just on Vinod Kambli, he still has the highest average of any Indian batsmen with 54.20 ( this really surprised me for a country that obsesses over their little masters ) and there's only been five guys in their history who have averaged over 50......( Virender Sehwag agonisingly close at 49.43 )
That’s because Kambli only played one test match outside the subcontinent and that was against us in Hamilton....
Maybe visiting Hamilton traumatised him enough into giving up Test Cricket ? the whole "dropping" thing might be a bit of a myth
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@Chris-B said in World Test Championship:
@nzzp I think there were two of them - brothers.
Umar was the batsman who looked like a million dollars, Kamran was mainly a keeper who wasn't particularly great. But, cricinfo tells me Umar also kept wicket.
A similar case to Umar - who remembers Vinod Kambli? Came up through the grades with Sachin and they were supposed to be twins in talent. Poor old Vinod - dropped with a test average of 54 and never played again.
And a test bowling average of 7.
A quick Google indicates a heart attack in 2013 (angioplasty on two blocked arteries). Maybe health problems affected his form (yes, 2013 is 18 years later, but maybe things had started to block up ... or maybe diet and exercise that ended up in health problems started to kick in... who knows)
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Cricinfo puts it down to weakness against the short ball. He also averaged less than 10 batting in the second innings.
He was also repeatedly recalled to the ODI side and never broke through there which presumably hurt his chances of a test recall.
He had consecutive double centuries plus two more centuries in his first 7 or 8 tests.
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@Cyclops Yeah - the West Indians sorted him out - even on Indian pitches.
I think the conclusion was that his flying start in test cricket wasn't a true reflection of his talent - he wasn't as good as those early stats suggested.
He was also a completely different personality to Sachin. A bit of a wild child, party animal - an Indian Jesse Ryder? - which didn't go down well with the powers that be.
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Terrific article on the Black Caps and their recent success ( although nothing fern experts like us don’t already know )
Slack Caps no more: the numbers that tell the story of a meteoric rise
Just a jaw-dropping collection of stats.
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@MN5 Interesting reading his comments on the 2012 tour to the Windies.
I thought John Wright would be great for us - as he was for India (and subsequently won the IPL coaching Mumbai).
But, he didn't get the results - and sounds like the team were pretty unhappy with him in charge.
Anyone read anything definitive about what went wrong in that era?
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@Chris-B said in World Test Championship:
@MN5 Interesting reading his comments on the 2012 tour to the Windies.
I thought John Wright would be great for us - as he was for India (and subsequently won the IPL coaching Mumbai).
But, he didn't get the results - and sounds like the team were pretty unhappy with him in charge.
Anyone read anything definitive about what went wrong in that era?
John Buchanan. Didn't read it, lived it though 🙂
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