NBA Season - now 24/25
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@mariner4life The play-in will help, I think. More teams will be in the hunt for longer, which will see less tanking from teams around 11th or 12th in their conference.
Broadly though the problems are unsolvable, as long as the 'ring or bust' attitude exists from players and fans. There's honour in toiling for a play-off spot year in and year out. Take a team like the Jazz - before this year, they never threatened the finals but they were a consistent performer who made the first or second round of the playoffs a number of years in a row.
But every year they fall short, and have to think about trading key players, 'blowing it up' etc. They are viewed as a failure.
So as long as you have an attitude where 29 of 30 teams are going to be viewed as losers, then the whole system is never going to change. Stars will still gravitate to big/successful teams to chase rings, and you end up with a class of 'haves' and 'have nots', the latter of whom scramble for draft picks in the hope of landing the next superstar.
And thus the regular season ceases to really matter, as all that matters is who holds the trophy at the end of the finals.
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@barbarian yeah but legacy!!
dumbest fucking argument i see NBA "fans" make all the time. And it drives this shit. No grinding away at a team, busting your ass for them. It's all take a pay cut and go win a ring at a team where you will be forgotten
I hope to god Dame stays a Portland player for as long as they will have him. They'll name the building after him.
The NBA themselves have built this, by making it a stars league, not a teams league. I think there are less and less supporters of teams and more and more supporters of players.
I blame LBJ. For pretty much everything (rancid @voodoo bait. Seeing as he is now a Lakers man, having been a Cavs man. Then a Heat man. Then a Cavs man...)
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@mariner4life said in NBA Season 20/21:
@barbarian yeah but legacy!!
dumbest fucking argument i see NBA "fans" make all the time. And it drives this shit. No grinding away at a team, busting your ass for them. It's all take a pay cut and go win a ring at a team where you will be forgotten
I hope to god Dame stays a Portland player for as long as they will have him. They'll name the building after him.
Yeah I cringe a bit when they roast Charles Barkley for never winning a ring, despite being a better player than 99% of every player all time.
And so Dwight Howard wins a ring with the Lakers, he's got it on his resume, but it shouldn't mean anything. Carrying the Magic to the finals means far more, even though they lost.
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@mariner4life so true that people support players and not teams.
The regular session should be 43 games. Play every team in your conference twice (home and away), and play every team in the other conference once (rotate home and away each year). Fans might get more excited if, say, LeBron playing at Madison Square Garden only happened once every 2 years. It would reduce travel and make every game matter. Start the season Christmas Day and have more gaps between games, never any back to backs. And pay the players half as much to reflect lower revenue.
Obviously would never happen because $$$$.
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The only hope for reducing games is if the current run of injuries continues. Maybe then the financial decision becomes clearer to drop to 70 games or so.
The only way I can see to make Reg Season more relevant is to overweight the value of home advantage in the playoffs. Maybe 7 games series need to be 3/3/1.
I'd like to see an end to "load management". Maybe teams should be fined for resting players. We can blame @mariner4life 's beloved Spurs for that clusterfck of a trend.
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@mariner4life said in NBA Season 20/21:
@voodoo said in NBA Season 20/21:
@mariner4life said in NBA Season 20/21:
I just saw a report that LaMarcus Aldridge is leaving the Spurs. Sounds like pretty much immediately.
He's been really good for San Antonio, and i hope he goes somewhere with a shot at a ring.
Like the Nets?
lets hope not, because that means a buy-out and another guy leaving the Spurs for not much
Fuck, I was only joking about this!!!! 😡😡😡
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@voodoo said in NBA Season 20/21:
@mariner4life said in NBA Season 20/21:
@voodoo said in NBA Season 20/21:
@mariner4life said in NBA Season 20/21:
I just saw a report that LaMarcus Aldridge is leaving the Spurs. Sounds like pretty much immediately.
He's been really good for San Antonio, and i hope he goes somewhere with a shot at a ring.
Like the Nets?
lets hope not, because that means a buy-out and another guy leaving the Spurs for not much
Fuck, I was only joking about this!!!! 😡😡😡
Jeez they are farken stacked. Sean Marks is gonna win GM of the year without a doubt!!!
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@canefan not if they don't win
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But seriously what is the point of the rest of the season. Lets just get to LBJ and AD v the Nets. Fuck all point in anyone else playing. Especially without crowds.
The NBA sucks.
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@mariner4life said in NBA Season 20/21:
@canefan not if they don't win
I think the award is made before the playoffs isn't it? Either way he's done a great job, helped obviously by the players doing their own recruiting
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@mariner4life Lakers injuries making it interesting though. They could easily slip out of the 8 before they return. Imagine being Utah, finishing #1 then meeting the Lakers in Round 1 🤣
I actually quite like Denver to trouble everyone. Definitely value at $12 to win the west
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@canefan said in NBA Season 20/21:
@mariner4life said in NBA Season 20/21:
@canefan not if they don't win
I think the award is made before the playoffs isn't it? Either way he's done a great job, helped obviously by the players doing their own recruiting
And helped by LMA taking a $7.5m haircut to try and buy his title!
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@voodoo said in NBA Season 20/21:
@canefan said in NBA Season 20/21:
@mariner4life said in NBA Season 20/21:
@canefan not if they don't win
I think the award is made before the playoffs isn't it? Either way he's done a great job, helped obviously by the players doing their own recruiting
And helped by LMA taking a $7.5m haircut to try and buy his title!
Kudos to him getting Kyrie and KD first. That was the catalyst to get Harden, and now they have hit critical mass, everyone wants on board for the win!!
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The Nuggets getting Gordon was a good pickup. He’s improved his outside shooting so rather than them going too small (Joker plus 4 guards), they can get some more rebounding with Gordon.
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@canefan said in NBA Season 20/21:
@voodoo said in NBA Season 20/21:
@canefan said in NBA Season 20/21:
@mariner4life said in NBA Season 20/21:
@canefan not if they don't win
I think the award is made before the playoffs isn't it? Either way he's done a great job, helped obviously by the players doing their own recruiting
And helped by LMA taking a $7.5m haircut to try and buy his title!
Kudos to him getting Kyrie and KD first. That was the catalyst to get Harden, and now they have hit critical mass, everyone wants on board for the win!!
Barkley lacing the boots to shut Shaq up...
this cycles nicely back to the conversation above about a ring being everything and nothing at the same time
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Will Perdue has 4 rings. In those championship seasons with the Bulls and Spurs (combined) he averaged under 4ppg and around 4rpg whilst playing 13-14 minutes a game.
Legend.
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The buy-out rules are getting a fucking hammering right now.
A few small market GMs have come out and said if they don't let players buy themselves out, agents will actively blacklist their organisation.
So a double whammy. Teams get nothing for their "assets" while a rival picks them up for a fraction of their value.
Seriously, why even have teams anywhere but the biggest cities? The league is getting more and more skewed away from them.
I read an interesting theory yesterday. The "big market" teams do not mind trading away draft picks to pick up talent now, because the traditional "buy now pay later" thing doesn't work for them. Right now, as they see it, there is every chance that a player they might want to draft will go somewhere else to start with, develop there, and then get traded to them when they are an asset later. All they have to do is wait. That is too plausible.
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@mariner4life Not to mention the value of any draft pick beyond the lottery is questionable as is. Yes you get the occasional Giannis or Donovan Mitchell or Draymond that are picked up late-ish, but in reality teams like the Lakers and Nets have little to gain from the draft at the moment.
The NFL is a different kettle of fish, though. Every first round pick is valuable, and so it's a very different trade market on that front.
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@barbarian said in NBA Season 20/21:
@mariner4life Not to mention the value of any draft pick beyond the lottery is questionable as is. Yes you get the occasional Giannis or Donovan Mitchell or Draymond that are picked up late-ish, but in reality teams like the Lakers and Nets have little to gain from the draft at the moment.
The NFL is a different kettle of fish, though. Every first round pick is valuable, and so it's a very different trade market on that front.
The NFL and the NBA are incomparable for one simple reason, the number of players on the team. You can pick up the best player in a position deep in to the draft. Zero chance that happens in NBA
The same thing around the player movement. Getting one good player in the NBA is like landing 5 in the NFL
