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<p>I made the mistake of clicking the '2nd amendment' topic on twitter. The fucktard is strong with that lot.</p>
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<p>Included a very recent story about a guy who shot dead a waitress - her crime was asking him to stop smoking in a restaurant.</p>
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<p>America - defending the right of sociopaths, nutcases, bigots, and racists to shoot the innocent since a very long time ago. Bet the founding fathers would be thrilled and proud at the nation's progress.</p> -
<p>Mokey, you are blind. If that waitress was armed, she would be alive today...</p>
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<p>so that stat about 352 mass shootings, apparently it becomes a mass shooting when 4 or more people are shot (according to TV1)...so, how many shootings with more than 1 person were there??</p>
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I've said this before and I'll ask it again: Will gun control make SFA difference in the states? With God knows how many millions of guns in circulation, it would be absolutely futile. They've fucked themselves through this second amendment bullshit and I can't see how anything can change.
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It was almost comical watching the coverage on the news. Loads police officers armed to the teeth chasing the shooters who were also heavily armed, while a whole shit load of civilians around them are also armed. It's like a giant game of laser strike but with real guns. The USA truly are the laughing stock of the western world.
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<p>I've said this before and I'll ask it again: Will gun control make SFA difference in the states? With God knows how many millions of guns in circulation, it would be absolutely futile. They've fucked themselves through this second amendment bullshit and I can't see how anything can change.</p>
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<p>You're probably right but they do have amnestys occasionally that get lots of guns out circulation, background checks and more amnestys would be a decent start.</p>
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<p>One thing they are very strict on is suppressors, get caught with one of those and you're going to jail. Odd when you consider there's weirdos carrying around pistols on their waist for no good reason.</p> -
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<p>I've said this before and I'll ask it again: Will gun control make SFA difference in the states? With God knows how many millions of guns in circulation, it would be absolutely futile. They've fucked themselves through this second amendment bullshit and I can't see how anything can change.</p>
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<p>Mokey, you are blind. If that waitress was armed, she would be alive today...</p>
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<p>Could you imagine.</p>
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<p>Officer: so you're claiming self defence?</p>
<p>Waitress: Yes, the fucker only left a $10 tip.</p>
<p>Officer: $10? Shit. No, you're absolutely right. The lazy bastard was only working three minimum wage jobs with limited healthcare and sick kids. He totally deserved that bullet to the heart. God bless the second amendment.</p>
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<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="No Quarter" data-cid="545893" data-time="1449123945"><p>It was almost comical watching the coverage on the news. Loads police officers armed to the teeth chasing the shooters who were also heavily armed, while a whole shit load of civilians around them are also armed. It's like a giant game of laser strike but with real guns. The USA truly are the laughing stock of the western world.</p></blockquote>Their anything goes view to freedom is going to catch up on them. You can bet your Smith and Wesson on it
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<p>Could you imagine.</p>
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<p>Officer: so you're claiming self defence?</p>
<p>Waitress: Yes, the fucker only left a $10 tip.</p>
<p>Officer: $10? Shit. No, you're absolutely right. The lazy bastard was only working three minimum wage jobs with limited healthcare and sick kids. He totally deserved that bullet to the heart. God bless the second amendment.</p>
<p>Waitress: Amen.</p>
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<p>No but I can imagine</p>
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<p>" so you say its a justifiable homicide?"</p>
<p>"yep she had about five minutes while all her groceries were being scanned and then she waited till after they were all done to try and find her wallet in that huge purse she has"</p>
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<p>Yea again, TV1 said there was pretty much enough for every single person in the US.</p> -
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<p>Maybe they meant adult students? I mean, college campuses appear to be safer than primary (Sandy Hook) and secondary (Columbine) schools in terms of incidents to deaths ratio, right?</p>
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<p>Arm the ankle biters! What more evidence is needed.....</p>
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<p>Arm the ankle biters! What more evidence is needed.....</p>
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<p>I wonder if Greg O'Connor is ever asked about these sort of tragedies given his default position seems to be every kiwi cop should be able to call in an air strike from his personalised Abrams</p>
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<p>Interesting to read Ronald Reagan's position on gun control (circa 1991, I am not familiar with his record as president). Unfortunately, the "Brady Bill' was just the start of a gun control legislative program.</p>
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<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote"><a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://www.nytimes.com/1991/03/29/opinion/why-i-m-for-the-brady-bill.html'><strong>Why I'm for the Brady Bill</strong></a><br><br>
By Ronald Reagan<br><br>
Ronald Reagan, in announcing support for the Brady bill yesterday, reminded his audience he is a member of the National Rifle Association.<br><br>
Published: March 29, 1991<br><br>
LOS ANGELES— "Anniversary" is a word we usually associate with happy events that we like to remember: birthdays, weddings, the first job. March 30, however, marks an anniversary I would just as soon forget, but cannot.<br><br>
It was on that day 10 years ago that a deranged young man standing among reporters and photographers shot a policeman, a Secret Service agent, my press secretary and me on a Washington sidewalk.<br><br>
I was lucky. The bullet that hit me bounced off a rib and lodged in my lung, an inch from my heart. It was a very close call. Twice they could not find my pulse. But the bullet's missing my heart, the skill of the doctors and nurses at George Washington University Hospital and the steadfast support of my wife, Nancy, saved my life.<br><br>
Jim Brady, my press secretary, who was standing next to me, wasn't as lucky. A bullet entered the left side of his forehead, near his eye, and passed through the right side of his brain before it exited. The skills of the George Washington University medical team, plus his amazing determination and the grit and spirit of his wife, Sarah, pulled Jim through. His recovery has been remarkable, but he still lives with physical pain every day and must spend much of his time in a wheelchair.<br><br>
Thomas Delahanty, a Washington police officer, took a bullet in his neck. It ricocheted off his spinal cord. Nerve damage to his left arm forced his retirement in November 1981.<br><br>
Tim McCarthy, a Secret Service agent, was shot in the chest and suffered a lacerated liver. He recovered and returned to duty.<br><br>
Still, four lives were changed forever, and all by a Saturday-night special -- a cheaply made .22 caliber pistol -- purchased in a Dallas pawnshop by a young man with a history of mental disturbance.<br><br>
This nightmare might never have happened if legislation that is before Congress now -- the Brady bill -- had been law back in 1981.<br><br>
Named for Jim Brady, this legislation would establish a national seven-day waiting period before a handgun purchaser could take delivery. It would allow local law enforcement officials to do background checks for criminal records or known histories of mental disturbances. Those with such records would be prohibited from buying the handguns.<br><br>
While there has been a Federal law on the books for more than 20 years that prohibits the sale of firearms to felons, fugitives, drug addicts and the mentally ill, it has no enforcement mechanism and basically works on the honor system, with the purchaser filling out a statement that the gun dealer sticks in a drawer.<br><br>
The Brady bill would require the handgun dealer to provide a copy of the prospective purchaser's sworn statement to local law enforcement authorities so that background checks could be made. Based upon the evidence in states that already have handgun purchase waiting periods, this bill -- on a nationwide scale -- can't help but stop thousands of illegal handgun purchases.<br><br>
And, since many handguns are acquired in the heat of passion (to settle a quarrel, for example) or at times of depression brought on by potential suicide, the Brady bill would provide a cooling-off period that would certainly have the effect of reducing the number of handgun deaths.<br><br>
Critics claim that "waiting period" legislation in the states that have it doesn't work, that criminals just go to nearby states that lack such laws to buy their weapons. True enough, and all the more reason to have a Federal law that fills the gaps. While the Brady bill would not apply to states that already have waiting periods of at least seven days or that already require background checks, it would automatically cover the states that don't. The effect would be a uniform standard across the country.<br><br>
Even with the current gaps among states, those that have waiting periods report some success. California, which has a 15-day waiting period that I supported and signed into law while Governor, stopped nearly 1,800 prohibited handgun sales in 1989. New Jersey has had a permit-to-purchase system for more than two decades. During that time, according to the state police, more than 10,000 convicted felons have been caught trying to buy handguns.<br><br>
Every year, an average of 9,200 Americans are murdered by handguns, according to Department of Justice statistics. This does not include suicides or the tens of thousands of robberies, rapes and assaults committed with handguns.<br><br>
This level of violence must be stopped. Sarah and Jim Brady are working hard to do that, and I say more power to them. If the passage of the Brady bill were to result in a reduction of only 10 or 15 percent of those numbers (and it could be a good deal greater), it would be well worth making it the law of the land.<br><br>
And there would be a lot fewer families facing anniversaries such as the Bradys, Delahantys, McCarthys and Reagans face every March 30.
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<p>Quite possible that 40% of guns in the US are obtained without background checks:</p>
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<p><a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://www.thetrace.org/2015/10/private-sale-loophole-background-check-harvard-research/'>http://www.thetrace.org/2015/10/private-sale-loophole-background-check-harvard-research/</a></p>
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<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote">Amid the controversy, a team of Harvard researchers are fast-tracking a major update to this fundamental gun debate statistic. Pulling data from a forthcoming study on gun ownership conducted by the university’s Injury Control Research Center, the scholars have landed on a figure set to corroborate the earlier finding: Harvard’s Dr. Deborah Azrael tells The Trace that of 2,072 gun owners the researchers surveyed, roughly 40 percent said they’d acquired their most recent firearm (through a sale or transfer) without going through a background check.<br><br>
Azrael was not ready to provide specific numbers, as the research is still being readied for formal release, and those figures will merit thorough examination once they are made public. But here’s how she says the numbers stack up about how Americans acquire their firearms.<br><br>
Roughly 70 percent: Gun owners who purchased their most recent gun.<br>
Roughly 30 percent: Gun owners who did not purchase their most recent gun, instead obtaining it through a transfer (i.e., a gift, an inheritance, a swap between friends).<br>
Zeroing in on the population of gun buyers, about 34 percent did not go through a background check.<br>
Among the gun owners who got their firearms through a transfer, roughly two-thirds did not go through a background check.<br><br>
Add it up, and it works out to: <br><br>
Roughly 60 percent: the share of gun owners surveyed who did go through a background check when they obtained (through sale or transfer) their latest gun.<br>
Roughly 40 percent: the share of gun owners who did not.
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<p>So, Oscar. Those guns did turn out to be a problem for you after all!</p>
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<p>Justice: <a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-34993002'>http://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-34993002</a></p> -
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<p>So, Oscar. Those guns did turn out to be a problem for you after all!</p>
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<p>Justice: <a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-34993002'>http://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-34993002</a></p>
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<p>So, Oscar. Those guns did turn out to be a problem for you after all!</p>
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<p>Justice: <a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-34993002'>http://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-34993002</a></p>
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<p>Meanwhile, with exquisite timing, the US Senate just voted to defund Planned Parenthood. Down with the abortionists! And shut up with your batshit crazy notion that they also provide birth control, smears and mammograms for low income women!</p>
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<p>Is America even a first world country any more?</p>
Guns?.........or is that the least of the problems?