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@barbarian I saw a clip from Tiger the other day, just asking what are they playing golf for now?
They dont win but still get a shedload of money, normally, you have to play well to win, wheres the challenge, what drives you?
Certainly an interesting take, and like you say, Westwood, Phil and the likes in the twilight of thier careers, rock on, but young guys, playing in the lesser format, I read soemwhere that some who were on the LIV tour were saying we dont even need to practice as much...hopefully there will be a happy medium found somewhere along the way
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@taniwharugby I loved Tiger's comments. A guy like Cam Smith is renowned for his work ethic, but there's no way he's working as hard for 54 hole shotgun starts with the money already in his pocket.
In some ways it is similar to rugby players going to Japan. By all means take the cash, but there's no incentive for me to care about what you are doing or watch.
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@barbarian said in Golf:
@taniwharugby I loved Tiger's comments. A guy like Cam Smith is renowned for his work ethic, but there's no way he's working as hard for 54 hole shotgun starts with the money already in his pocket.
In some ways it is similar to rugby players going to Japan. By all means take the cash, but there's no incentive for me to care about what you are doing or watch.
Maybe its a bit like Kerry Packer and WSC? Sure he wasn't backed by a ruthless authoritarian regime, but the LIV are offering better conditions, better money and less strenuous playing schedule. I could see the PGA quietly adopting a few of LIVs better ideas over time and eventually a sort of acceptance of their existence
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@barbarian said in Golf:
@Hooroo But does he need coin? On one level I get the appeal of LIV, but for a guy like Smith it's a bit cowardly IMO.
It's Mickey Mouse golf. No juice. If you're Lee Westwood at the end of your career then knock yourself out. But Smith could actually win some big tournaments on the tour. Tournaments at great courses with history. Nobody gives a shit if he wins a 54 hole event at a Trump course that's only shown on Youtube.
I hear all of that.
I also haven’t needed a pay rise but have taken it happily to do a different variance of the same job. Just times it by a squillion for these guys.
I know it not directly comparable but most people are driven by money and accept more of it. Just these guys have differing opportunities than most so it’s easier to criticise.
Sometimes I’m happy with what I’ve got and then sometimes I want a nicer car. Change that for yacht/super yacht and it’s the same thing
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@barbarian said in Golf:
@Hooroo But does he need coin? On one level I get the appeal of LIV, but for a guy like Smith it's a bit cowardly IMO.
It's Mickey Mouse golf. No juice. If you're Lee Westwood at the end of your career then knock yourself out. But Smith could actually win some big tournaments on the tour. Tournaments at great courses with history. Nobody gives a shit if he wins a 54 hole event at a Trump course that's only shown on Youtube.
I hear all of that.
I also haven’t needed a pay rise but have taken it happily to do a different variance of the same job. Just times it by a squillion for these guys.
I know it not directly comparable but most people are driven by money and accept more of it. Just these guys have differing opportunities than most so it’s easier to criticise.
Sometimes I’m happy with what I’ve got and then sometimes I want a nicer car. Change that for yacht/super yacht and it’s the same thing
Didn't I read that the PGA have instituted some new special lucrative events? The LIV are already having an effect. And the more top guys that jump over the more pressure on the PGA
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@barbarian said in Golf:
@Hooroo But does he need coin? On one level I get the appeal of LIV, but for a guy like Smith it's a bit cowardly IMO.
It's Mickey Mouse golf. No juice. If you're Lee Westwood at the end of your career then knock yourself out. But Smith could actually win some big tournaments on the tour. Tournaments at great courses with history. Nobody gives a shit if he wins a 54 hole event at a Trump course that's only shown on Youtube.
I hear all of that.
I also haven’t needed a pay rise but have taken it happily to do a different variance of the same job. Just times it by a squillion for these guys.
I know it not directly comparable but most people are driven by money and accept more of it. Just these guys have differing opportunities than most so it’s easier to criticise.
Sometimes I’m happy with what I’ve got and then sometimes I want a nicer car. Change that for yacht/super yacht and it’s the same thing
Didn't I read that the PGA have instituted some new special lucrative events? The LIV are already having an effect. And the more top guys that jump over the more pressure on the PGA
I hope he doesn’t go across but I won’t begrudge him due to something I am used to.
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@barbarian said in Golf:
@taniwharugby I loved Tiger's comments. A guy like Cam Smith is renowned for his work ethic, but there's no way he's working as hard for 54 hole shotgun starts with the money already in his pocket.
In some ways it is similar to rugby players going to Japan. By all means take the cash, but there's no incentive for me to care about what you are doing or watch.
Maybe its a bit like Kerry Packer and WSC? Sure he wasn't backed by a ruthless authoritarian regime, but the LIV are offering better conditions, better money and less strenuous playing schedule. I could see the PGA quietly adopting a few of LIVs better ideas over time and eventually a sort of acceptance of their existence
It's similar and different. The establishment tours haven't innovated as much as they should have, but they aren't hoarding money like the ACB and other Boards were back in the WSC days. PGA golfers are far from broke.
The solution though needs to be some sort of compromise.
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@barbarian it’s not just about the money but about providing players with choice. The PGA has a lot of control and while there are financial incentives, I think the rebellion has been building for quite some time.
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TBH I dont really care about either, I enjoy watching golf, not particularly fond of the LIV format though...was interesting seeing alot of 'feel good' type posts on the PGA social media over the weekend though.
If I could do less work for much more money, I'm there, but I also agree with what Tiger says, what drives you?
You play less, you practice less, are you still going to be as good? In my mind, you play sport for the competition, the drive to win, it seems for a few of these guys they have just won the lottery, golf is now just a hobby now (some say it is anyway, but thats a conversation for another day)
Is LIV expecting a return on investment, ever?
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@ACT-Crusader My position on this is twofold.
Firstly - the PGA is ripe for revolution. Stale, too focussed on America, killing world golf, not enough variety.
However LIV is not the right answer. It might well be the one we end up with though. It's a bad format, questionable source of funding, egotistical maniac Norman at the helm, a cabal of players who I find to be either washed up or unlikeable. Add a dash of Trump in there and it's not a good picture for golf.
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@JK yeah when I was playing well, I could get my 7 iron in a circle of area of about 5m of one another, but no way cold I tell you how far each went to that accuracy...maybe on my short irons I knew what my max was, and I played golf trying to hit it to the max, but my driver, I'd be way out on that, by >50m sometimes I reckon, short, long, wide!
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i can't even find my ball half the friggen time, let alone tell you how far it went,.
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@taniwharugby pretty amazing.
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@taniwharugby said in Golf:
@JK yeah when I was playing well, I could get my 7 iron in a circle of area of about 5m of one another, but no way cold I tell you how far each went to that accuracy...maybe on my short irons I knew what my max was, and I played golf trying to hit it to the max, but my driver, I'd be way out on that, by >50m sometimes I reckon, short, long, wide!
Yeah mate, irons I am pretty good at getting an accurate distance as you actually have to think about it every shot. Where as most the time with the driver (or 3 wood if driver is misbehaving) it's just 'as far as it will go' haha
Actually hit the range today for a bit and was following the tracker stats. Had a stupid tail wind though so was getting a fair but of extra distance today
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Ryan Fox gets his 2023 season underway later this week at the Abu Dhabi HSBC Championship.
Ryan Fox looking to carry stellar form into new year
Also another Kiwi playing on the DP World Tour this year is Daniel Hillier who earned his card after some great results on the Challenge Tour last year.
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Ryan Fox gets his 2023 season underway later this week at the Abu Dhabi HSBC Championship.
Ryan Fox looking to carry stellar form into new year
Also another Kiwi playing on the DP World Tour this year is Daniel Hillier who earned his card after some great results on the Challenge Tour last year.
Fox is now ranked 28th in the world ... time to win a major Ryan!
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Alker awarded top Champions Tour honour
New Zealander Steven Alker has received the 2022 Jack Nicklaus Award as the Champions Tour's Player of the Year.
