Pasifika SR team
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i've always thought a PI team needs to be at least predominately based in the PI's and so we need to look at the issues with starting one there, good enough stadium/lighting training facilities? then then is there an acceptance it might take some time to become competitive
and if we think NZ could provide the base for a sixth team thats a separate issue, separate team, i think trying to do both means we'll truly achieve neither
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I don't mind a pacific franshise team if we are going down the Trans- Ta$man comp path. But it needs to be PI (Suva) based. I have my doubts about its viability, though. All decisions should be based on financial and operational realities. Not emotional and often false crap.
I have real problems with a pacific franshise being based in NZ (Auckland), my post which is at top of the split thread outlines why I think it achieves none of the supposed aims. But that just means I think it is pointless. But it is worse than pointless because it is also just plain wrong.
for these reasons.
1. Team model consistency
The most likely league format is going to be 5 NZ geographic based teams and 5 Australian geographic based teams + maybe 1 Pacific based team. If they add Pasifika, it logically should be a PI geographic based team.But, to make the league 10 geographic and 1 ethnic is just weird.
That's from a league authenticity POV.
2. Societal
From a societal / nation-building POV. I hate everything about NZ having 6 professional teams where 5 are geographic and 1 is raced based.
I hate the message it is sending to Pasifika New Zealanders. That you're not expected to be New Zealanders or even Aucklanders.
I have no problem with 1st generation migrants still supporting their home based team in a joint comp, just like several hundred thousand NZers in Australia probably already do.3. Financial
A South Auckland based Pasifika team is operating in the same 'NZ rugby economy'. The same economy we are told can't support more than 5 teams. So either, get it the fuck out of here, or make a 6th team out of a more viable option like North Auckland. That may actually last. -
As a comparison to adding Jaguares.
Jaguares were added to SR and Argentina were added to SANZAAR at the same time.
If we had added Jaguares but not added the Pumas it would have meant Jaguares would only attract the calibre of players below test level. The calibre of players they wanted to attract would have remained in Europe.
Adding the Pumas to TRC but not adding Jaguares to SR might have worked. . But not the other way around. (Only might have worked, depending on player availability from clubs and burnout)
Adding Pasifika to SR without adding PI national unions to an international comp that pays good coin, will only attract the calibre of players not good enough (or still too young) for the NZ system or European clubs.
So 1 team in the comp will be structurally perma-weak compared to the others.
Its a bad idea.
Where as adding Fiji to TRC, FRU getting a share of pooled TV revenues to pay match fees - but leaving the European clubs or Aus/NZ franchises to pay their wages for the other 44 weeks of the year .... could work.
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i think rugby in the SH just isn't conducive to these kinds of teams....i doubt the Highlanders would actually be sustainable in such an expensive comp as super rugby if they had to stand alone...but because they're all just effective part of NZR they get by
a proper PI team kind of has to stand alone, as their unions arent rich enough to help...so a suva based team just has really had road to travel
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@Bovidae still less that SA and Arg though
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@Kiwiwomble That ship has sailed in the current economic climate. Having only domestic travel saves all 5 NZ teams (NZR), and this proposed PI team, a lot of money.
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to each their own, i think id rather stick to five teams, or the NPC than force another one into NZ
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Pacific rugby franchise threatens legal action over Super Rugby snub
The Pacific rugby franchise Kanaloa Pasifika is threatening to take legal action against New Zealand Rugby if its not included in a revamped Super Rugby competition.
Gee, is this an organisation you'd want to go into a partnership with?
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@Rapido said in Pasifika SR team:
Pacific rugby franchise threatens legal action over Super Rugby snub
The Pacific rugby franchise Kanaloa Pasifika is threatening to take legal action against New Zealand Rugby if its not included in a revamped Super Rugby competition.
Gee, is this an organisation you'd want to go into a partnership with?
Problem when you’re dealing with US enitities.... their answer to disappointment is SUE! Happening in other places in the US as we write!
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@Bovidae said in Pasifika SR team:
@Rapido said in Pasifika SR team:
Gee, is this an organisation you'd want to go into a partnership with?
It doesn't appear NZR have been professional and transparent either.
Hardly a surprise given everything else they have done lately is a mess.
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Answering this in this thread:
@Bovidae said in 2020 Māori All Blacks:
I'm really hoping Kanaloa Pasifika goes ahead with their legal action regarding a future Pasifika team in SR. The NZR/NZRPA influence in Moana Pasifika doesn't sit right with me.
They have according to the media.
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World Rugby to support Pacific Islands Super Rugby ambitions
World Rugby to provide financial, high performance and administrative support for two potential Pacific Island Super Rugby franchises
Programme objective is to boost the performances of the Pacific Islands on the world stage and provide a genuine pathway for the best talent
Players will have the opportunity to stay local, play professionally and optimise their preparation for playing international rugby.
A potential historic transformation of Pacific Islands rugby has been advanced with World Rugby confirming a package of financial and administrative support to help facilitate two teams joining Super Rugby from 2022.
Subject to New Zealand Rugby (NZR) Board approval and key conditions being met, the international federation’s Executive Committee has approved a £1.2m annual funding package for an initial three-year period to support the two franchises, Fijian Drua and Moana Pasifika. Both franchises will also be supported by their respective unions and private equity funding.
The decision was made following a detailed financial, performance and commercial feasibility study in partnership with New Zealand Rugby and the respective unions. The funding is conditional on these franchises satisfying the necessary financial criteria for entry.
The decision is aligned to core objectives of World Rugby’s strategic plan to increase the competitiveness of the global game and ultimately the men’s and women’s Rugby World Cups. It supports the ambition to develop locally-based players into test players for the three nations, giving each union the best opportunity to perform to their full potential on the world stage.
The announcement completes a journey that began when the international federation’s Rugby Committee met in Suva in 2016 to consider opportunities to further support Pacific Islands rugby on and off the field. If accepted into Super Rugby, the teams would complete World Rugby supported high performance journey from the Pacific Challenge competition and resulting annual Pacific Combine to the test arena. World Rugby in partnership with Fiji Rugby and the Fijian Government has underwritten the Fijian Drua’s participation in Australia’s National Rugby Championship, which it won at the second attempt in 2018 (pictured).
Since its inception in 2018, 75 players have graduated from the Pacific Combine and 17 have gone on to represent the Pacific Islands on the world stage, including seven at Rugby World Cup 2019 and 12 in Fiji’s squad for the Autumn Nations Cup in 2020.Fiji Rugby Union Chief Executive John O’Connor (...)
“We are not over the line yet. However, we are working very hard to meet all the requirements set by NZR, including strict financial diligence requirements by the end of March to satisfy the NZR Board that we will be able to field a strong team on the field and a sustainable and profitable franchise.”
(...)Hopefully, that financial boost from WR means that their overseas based players will indeed come back. I'm still worried that Moana Pasifika is going to decrease our depth in NZ.
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Wasn't sure where to put this.
A potential historic transformation of Pacific Islands rugby has been advanced with World Rugby confirming a package of financial and administrative support to help facilitate two teams joining Super Rugby from 2022. Subject to New Zealand Rugby (NZR) Board approval and key conditions being met, the international federation’s Executive Committee has approved a £1.2m annual funding package for an initial three-year period to support the two franchises, Fijian Drua and Moana Pasifika. Both franchises will also be supported by their respective unions and private equity funding.
World Rugby to support Pacific Islands Super Rugby ambitions | World Rugby
A potential historic transformation of Pacific Islands rugby has been advanced with World Rugby confirming a package of financial and administrative support to help facilitate two teams joining Super Rugby from 2022.
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@kiwimurph So many questions.
Given there is no such thing as a single Super Rugby at the moment, what competition are they joining? presumably since it's subject to NZR approval it's only to join SRao. If that's the case i wonder if they'll be involved in any TT comp.
Plus, why? i can see the Crusaders posting a few centuries.
