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So the latest Speedtest Global Index is out and Australia ranks about where we expect them to be - behind Kazakhstan, Bulgaria, Guam and Belarus sitting at 55. NZ is seeing the fruits of the implementation of a proper fibre network and sits at 20.
Weirdly Oz has fast mobile speeds.
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@nepia mobile is relatively easy I guess. And mobile networks know it, providing good speeds but shitty data limits to help make money.
Contrast to Korea/Japan which are world leaders in fibre speeds, but relatively slow mobile networks. They don't need it because wifi saturation.
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@nepia said in The Interweb:
So the latest Speedtest Global Index is out and Australia ranks about where we expect them to be - behind Kazakhstan, Bulgaria, Guam and Belarus sitting at 55. NZ is seeing the fruits of the implementation of a proper fibre network and sits at 20.
Weirdly Oz has fast mobile speeds.
Not the best 'survey'y a long shot.
Speedtest results are significantly skewed by over-excited geeks that have either forked out a lot of money, moved location or simply leeched off a business connection then want to show someone that all important picture of how fast their connection is.
There is no way in hell NZ has a benchmark speed of 60Mbps
That speed is certainly available to a good portion of population but a vast number haven't taken it up.
Population availability and geographical availability are also big issues in NZ and Oz. -
@nepia said in The Interweb:
@crucial said in The Interweb:
Hey, we're taking a swipe at OZ's dodgy infrastructure here ;).
I thought that horse had been well flogged, although it is good to send Nick off to work in a grumpy mood after struggling to download porn on his dial up before the missus catches him.
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@crucial said in The Interweb:
@nepia said in The Interweb:
@crucial said in The Interweb:
Hey, we're taking a swipe at OZ's dodgy infrastructure here ;).
I thought that horse had been well flogged, although it is good to send Nick off to work in a grumpy mood after struggling to download porn on his dial up before the missus catches him.
I live here and have to put up with it so will keep flogging the horse ....
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@nepia said in The Interweb:
@crucial said in The Interweb:
@nepia said in The Interweb:
@crucial said in The Interweb:
Hey, we're taking a swipe at OZ's dodgy infrastructure here ;).
I thought that horse had been well flogged, although it is good to send Nick off to work in a grumpy mood after struggling to download porn on his dial up before the missus catches him.
I live here and have to put up with it so will keep flogging the horse ....
Just the horse?
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@crucial said in The Interweb:
@nepia said in The Interweb:
@crucial said in The Interweb:
@nepia said in The Interweb:
@crucial said in The Interweb:
Hey, we're taking a swipe at OZ's dodgy infrastructure here ;).
I thought that horse had been well flogged, although it is good to send Nick off to work in a grumpy mood after struggling to download porn on his dial up before the missus catches him.
I live here and have to put up with it so will keep flogging the horse ....
Just the horse?
Depends if this ever loads!
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@crucial said in The Interweb:
@nepia said in The Interweb:
So the latest Speedtest Global Index is out and Australia ranks about where we expect them to be - behind Kazakhstan, Bulgaria, Guam and Belarus sitting at 55. NZ is seeing the fruits of the implementation of a proper fibre network and sits at 20.
Weirdly Oz has fast mobile speeds.
Not the best 'survey'y a long shot.
Speedtest results are significantly skewed by over-excited geeks that have either forked out a lot of money, moved location or simply leeched off a business connection then want to show someone that all important picture of how fast their connection is.
There is no way in hell NZ has a benchmark speed of 60Mbps
That speed is certainly available to a good portion of population but a vast number haven't taken it up.
Population availability and geographical availability are also big issues in NZ and Oz.I assume for this one they've just compiled the average of every speedtest that's been made from each country. So definitely skewed by nerd factor, but presumably that's the case in every country so as a ranking - it's probably not bad.
Sooo...unless Jacinda connects me up to some decent speed fibre, I'm going to sit here for the next month doing repeated Speedtests and dragging New Zealand down...!!!
Lower than fucking Lebanon, Jacinda!!!
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@chris-b said in The Interweb:
@crucial said in The Interweb:
@nepia said in The Interweb:
So the latest Speedtest Global Index is out and Australia ranks about where we expect them to be - behind Kazakhstan, Bulgaria, Guam and Belarus sitting at 55. NZ is seeing the fruits of the implementation of a proper fibre network and sits at 20.
Weirdly Oz has fast mobile speeds.
Not the best 'survey'y a long shot.
Speedtest results are significantly skewed by over-excited geeks that have either forked out a lot of money, moved location or simply leeched off a business connection then want to show someone that all important picture of how fast their connection is.
There is no way in hell NZ has a benchmark speed of 60Mbps
That speed is certainly available to a good portion of population but a vast number haven't taken it up.
Population availability and geographical availability are also big issues in NZ and Oz.I assume for this one they've just compiled the average of every speedtest that's been made from each country. So definitely skewed by nerd factor, but presumably that's the case in every country so as a ranking - it's probably not bad.
Sooo...unless Jacinda connects me up to some decent speed fibre, I'm going to sit here for the next month doing repeated Speedtests and dragging New Zealand down...!!!
Lower than fucking Lebanon, Jacinda!!!
Or you could stop living in the sticks but expecting the benefits of cities?
Oh, hang on that describes the whole NZ problem really. We want all the things big populous countries have but without the population.
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@crucial said in The Interweb:
@chris-b said in The Interweb:
@crucial said in The Interweb:
@nepia said in The Interweb:
So the latest Speedtest Global Index is out and Australia ranks about where we expect them to be - behind Kazakhstan, Bulgaria, Guam and Belarus sitting at 55. NZ is seeing the fruits of the implementation of a proper fibre network and sits at 20.
Weirdly Oz has fast mobile speeds.
Not the best 'survey'y a long shot.
Speedtest results are significantly skewed by over-excited geeks that have either forked out a lot of money, moved location or simply leeched off a business connection then want to show someone that all important picture of how fast their connection is.
There is no way in hell NZ has a benchmark speed of 60Mbps
That speed is certainly available to a good portion of population but a vast number haven't taken it up.
Population availability and geographical availability are also big issues in NZ and Oz.I assume for this one they've just compiled the average of every speedtest that's been made from each country. So definitely skewed by nerd factor, but presumably that's the case in every country so as a ranking - it's probably not bad.
Sooo...unless Jacinda connects me up to some decent speed fibre, I'm going to sit here for the next month doing repeated Speedtests and dragging New Zealand down...!!!
Lower than fucking Lebanon, Jacinda!!!
Or you could stop living in the sticks but expecting the benefits of cities?
Oh, hang on that describes the whole NZ problem really. We want all the things big populous countries have but without the population.
Like the world's best rugby team, Lima?!!
To paraphrase the Rocky Horror Picture Show - I expect nothing - and I'm receiving it in abundance!
Actually, the shit download speed is perfectly adequate for our purposes - though doubtless no good for people who play heavy duty online games or need to download half a dozen movies simultaneously or whatever. Might become an issue if Amazon manages to grab rugby broadcast rights.
I know you know about this stuff, though, so a quick question - I live between Brightwater and Wakefield - both of which have UFB2. My neighbours told me that a couple of years ago when roadworks were happening that it was installation of fibre - so assuming they're right - there's likely some sort of cable running right past my place. Is that something I could tap into - like is suggested here?
https://www.chorus.co.nz/help-and-support/rural-broadband/how-do-i-get-rural-fibre
When I use their address checker (and Sparks') it says only ADSL is available - so I'm assuming not.
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Fibre roll-out timeline:
https://www.crowninfrastructure.govt.nz/ufb-initiative/ultra-fast-broadband-extension/
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@chris-b said in The Interweb:
@crucial said in The Interweb:
@chris-b said in The Interweb:
@crucial said in The Interweb:
@nepia said in The Interweb:
So the latest Speedtest Global Index is out and Australia ranks about where we expect them to be - behind Kazakhstan, Bulgaria, Guam and Belarus sitting at 55. NZ is seeing the fruits of the implementation of a proper fibre network and sits at 20.
Weirdly Oz has fast mobile speeds.
Not the best 'survey'y a long shot.
Speedtest results are significantly skewed by over-excited geeks that have either forked out a lot of money, moved location or simply leeched off a business connection then want to show someone that all important picture of how fast their connection is.
There is no way in hell NZ has a benchmark speed of 60Mbps
That speed is certainly available to a good portion of population but a vast number haven't taken it up.
Population availability and geographical availability are also big issues in NZ and Oz.I assume for this one they've just compiled the average of every speedtest that's been made from each country. So definitely skewed by nerd factor, but presumably that's the case in every country so as a ranking - it's probably not bad.
Sooo...unless Jacinda connects me up to some decent speed fibre, I'm going to sit here for the next month doing repeated Speedtests and dragging New Zealand down...!!!
Lower than fucking Lebanon, Jacinda!!!
Or you could stop living in the sticks but expecting the benefits of cities?
Oh, hang on that describes the whole NZ problem really. We want all the things big populous countries have but without the population.
Like the world's best rugby team, Lima?!!
To paraphrase the Rocky Horror Picture Show - I expect nothing - and I'm receiving it in abundance!
Actually, the shit download speed is perfectly adequate for our purposes - though doubtless no good for people who play heavy duty online games or need to download half a dozen movies simultaneously or whatever. Might become an issue if Amazon manages to grab rugby broadcast rights.
I know you know about this stuff, though, so a quick question - I live between Brightwater and Wakefield - both of which have UFB2. My neighbours told me that a couple of years ago when roadworks were happening that it was installation of fibre - so assuming they're right - there's likely some sort of cable running right past my place. Is that something I could tap into - like is suggested here?
https://www.chorus.co.nz/help-and-support/rural-broadband/how-do-i-get-rural-fibre
When I use their address checker (and Sparks') it says only ADSL is available - so I'm assuming not.
The website isn't very helpful regarding rural fibre since they changed the search map. The old version used to actually show the path of the rural connections to cell towers and schools/hospitals and you could see the route it took.
With a little look at the map though I notice a small patch out of Wakefield which shows as being connected to UFB. It looks on Google earth to be a small development of houses on big blocks (Edward St/Fellbridge Rise). It is possible that the owner/developer has gone down the path/expense of tapping into a feed that runs past the property. It has to get there somehow and the obvious route would be down the main road then past the school. Can't see why it would go further than the school unless there is a cell tower nearby. For your purposes though, lets assume it has come down the main road.
Now there is a difference between main lines and ducts to schools etc. A bit like how you can't tap into the main electricity transmission lines but you can connect past a substation.
What Chorus have done is made it so that if one of these ducts runs past you on the way to a school/hospital etc, you have the ability to tap into it. They can't do extra big work, like go under a road/ stream etc but if the duct is on your side of the road adjacent to your boundary you can negotiate (the first 15 metres is covered under the govt roll out plan)
I would contact your ISP but try and get past the call centre by asking about unique RBI connections and ask to talk to someone about that. If you hit a brick wall then contact Chorus directly and ask the same. Explain that you followed the links on the website but it was a dead end. The maps don't actually show the RBI possibility.
My guess is that you are on a main line, even if it does pass your boundary it may not be accessible.The methodology used for deciding where upgrades go is based on population. More people accessed by the investment = more bang for buck. It would be silly to spend the same amount to connect 20 properties as 200. Coverage is based on how many people have access not on how much of the map gets coloured in.
Edit: I looked at the map again and you really do fall in an unlucky hole. Just outside the VDSL signal strength from both sides. Your best bet is to talk a neighbour into doing a housing development. Get a new cabinet in to service it. That airstrip looks a good spot.
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@crucial Thanks that's extremely helpful and pretty much confirms a lot of what I was thinking.
Looking at a different map, I see you're right about most of Wakefield still only planned for UFB - apart from the small enclave. At first glance my thought was maybe it's this weirdo - but, it's not (that statue makes for a great pub quiz question around Nelson though).
There must be a main line that already runs to Wakefield though and I'd guess my neighbours are right and it runs past my gate on SH6. Would have been good if they'd put a duct line in the same trench - even if they'd not connected it up to anything at present.
I'd guess that we're not scheduled to get anything in the current plan. Optimistically, entering my address in the Chorus site shows VDSL "may be available" though most others say it's not - I'm less than a kilometre from where their map shows the VDSL boundary (and from where the planned Broadband rollout ends).
Main thing I don't really understand is on Tim's maps they're apparently putting in State Highway coverage for miles on the roads out of St. Arnaud and Murchison etc. Why would they do this - almost no-one lives there?
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Yeah, I don't quite understand what those other maps are showing. They refer to UFB but seem to be more along the lines of backhaul to access points.
It's possible that duct was laid alongside the main line outside your place but not probable as it isn't in the plan nor does it have any connection points (cabinets).
I know chorus had to argue the case with CFH just to allow the rather practical step of allowing properties to tap into lines run to schools etc. getting them to pay for other non plan work is unlikely.
I would follow up on the VDSL possibility though. The maps only show where they have connected not where they can connect. What's the distance to the cabinet for your copper? A couple of years back chorus changed the band plan used for VDSL and a side effect was higher speeds and less drop off. If your ISP is willing to come out and check a technician will be able to test the line at your end and let you know.
I've mentioned this before but one of the biggest problems on speed is actually the wiring at the house. Get rid of all and any excess spider wiring to extensions (as was the fashion when putting extra phone points around the house was in vogue). Make a clean uninterrupted line to your modem access point. -
@crucial said in The Interweb:
I would follow up on the VDSL possibility though. The maps only show where they have connected not where they can connect. What's the distance to the cabinet for your copper? A couple of years back chorus changed the band plan used for VDSL and a side effect was higher speeds and less drop off. If your ISP is willing to come out and check a technician will be able to test the line at your end and let you know.
That bolded bit is kind of what I hoped. Years ago when we upgraded from dial up to broadband they were sceptical that it would work, but when the technician came to try it worked pretty well. I talked to my neighbour (the wife) yesterday and asked whether they have VDSL - she didn't know but said they use netflix, lightbox etc with no issues and don't have any issues with their speed.
I don't either - except when I do those Oookla speedtests and see how slow mine are - they really are slower than Lebanon average.
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Quiet for Android: TCP using near-ultrasonic sound from speakers to microphone, for Android devices.
About 7kbps, nearly inaudible to adults, across air-gapped devices.
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@kirwan said in The Interweb:
Not bad for over wifi
Now I need to get a dongle to see what it can do over ethernet