2021 Crusaders
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Hopefully Blackadder has a big season or the loosies look a major weakness again. Douglas lucky to have a contract.
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@Crazy-Horse I think Douglas may get the role that some of the other koro have in SR squads: the experienced mentor without much game time.
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Overall, this seems like a strong Super rugby Crusaders squad.
Particularly pleased with the propping group. It doesn't quite have the same strength in depth as the Blues (with four current test props), but a starting front row of Moody, Taylor and Alaalatoa should hold up well against them. Bower and Jager (who finally started to look the part in the few bits I saw of him in M10 Cup) a decent bench, and a nod to the future with some strong young contenders in Tu'ungafasi, Newell and Williams. In fact, the Canterbury front row was one of the few consistently impressive parts of their NPC team.
No change in the hookers. Would be nice if Codie Taylor comes back in better form. Makalio a strong option off the bench and McAlister should be developing nicely for the future.
If the Blues are edging us in the propping department, we should do the same to them in the second row. Whitelock and Barrett a starting All Black combination, Strange and Dunshea on the AB fringes and Romano a powerful and experienced 5th option. Razor talked him up as a potential onfield coach.
The loose forwards aren't quite as impressive on paper - lots of potential, not so much delivery. In fact, it's hard to say what the top combination will be. I suspect that Razor might start with Grace, Christie, Sanders (a tyro All Black and the other two started for the South Island), but there's very little between Christie and Sione Havili (Player of the Year for the national champions). Ethan Blackadder has had terrible luck with injuries, but has been a dominant figure at NPC level, despite that he's not a big 6/8. On form, Whetu Douglas might be shuffled down the pecking order and have to bide his time. We might also see Dunshea play in the loosies at some point.
No change in the halfbacks. The old firm of Hall and Drummond, with Enari as the promising youngster. I'd like to see Enari step his game up significantly this year if he's to be the way of the future.
No change among the first fives either. Remains a significant point of weakness if Mo'unga gets injured. However, Fergus Burke has probably improved and Brett Cameron even had a couple of decent games for Canterbury when the heat was on at the end. Started to look like a decent NPC first five.
Midfield also seems a bit thin with Ennor injured and apparently gone for the season. I'd be inclined to pair Havili and Goodhue, which is potentially more dangerous than Goodhue-Ennor, with Jack at 13. Burke, McLeod and Fainga'anuku behind these guys are more promising than inspiring of confidence. I'd rather have had Fetuli Paea as a back up centre.
Outside backs are absolutely laden with firepower. I think we'll start with Big Leicester, Sevu Reece and Will Jordan - but, with Bridge, Mataele, Fihaki and Punavai in the wings and Havili also around to play fullback.
XXIII for game 1: Moody, Taylor, Alaalatoa, Whitelock, Barrett, Grace, Christie, Sanders, Hall, Mo'unga, Fainga'anuku, D. Havili, Goodhue, Reece, Jordan
Makalio, Bower, Jager, Strange, S. Havili, Drummond, Burke, Fihaki
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@Gunner said in 2021 Crusaders:
@Chris-B You think Robertson will drop Bridge? Or will he still be recovering from his injury come the start of the comp?
Sorry, quoting myself is easier than re-posting:
@Stargazer said in 2021 Crusaders:
They kickoff Super Rugby Aotearoa against the Highlanders in Dunedin on February 26, and will be without centre Braydon Ennor (knee) for the entire campaign. Wings George Bridge and Manasa Mataele will miss half the season. Robertson is soon expected to announce injury cover. -
@Chris-B said in 2021 Crusaders:
@Bovidae Only guy I really thought might make it was Anton Segner, but even that would have been a bit of a project selection.
I'd listed other guys who might be worth looking at above, but didn't really expect any of them to be going to the Crusaders. Sam Matenga might have been an outside shot.
I was thinking about the Ta$man props in particular, including Coxon, compared to the greenhorn Cantabs.
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@Bovidae said in 2021 Crusaders:
@Chris-B said in 2021 Crusaders:
@Bovidae Only guy I really thought might make it was Anton Segner, but even that would have been a bit of a project selection.
I'd listed other guys who might be worth looking at above, but didn't really expect any of them to be going to the Crusaders. Sam Matenga might have been an outside shot.
I was thinking about the Ta$man props in particular, including Coxon, compared to the greenhorn Cantabs.
Coxon was a Chief last year, wasn't he - though probably came in late?
Ta$man props went OK, but our scrum was under pressure against most of the big teams (not Wellington, though). I'm not sure how much Coxon, Salmon or Princep can lift their ceilings. Matenga was the guy who impressed me most - but, he's also a greenhorn.
I'll probably attract flak if I point out that we've got three props spread across the various squads.
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@Bovidae said in 2021 Crusaders:
@Chris-B said in 2021 Crusaders:
@Bovidae Only guy I really thought might make it was Anton Segner, but even that would have been a bit of a project selection.
I'd listed other guys who might be worth looking at above, but didn't really expect any of them to be going to the Crusaders. Sam Matenga might have been an outside shot.
I was thinking about the Ta$man props in particular, including Coxon, compared to the greenhorn Cantabs.
Nah I think its was a great move picking Willams and Newell according to some experts these are the Brest 2 props to come through the NZ system for some time they just need some development time.
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@Chris-B said in 2021 Crusaders:
Overall, this seems like a strong Super rugby Crusaders squad.
Particularly pleased with the propping group. It doesn't quite have the same strength in depth as the Blues (with four current test props), but a starting front row of Moody, Taylor and Alaalatoa should hold up well against them. Bower and Jager (who finally started to look the part in the few bits I saw of him in M10 Cup) a decent bench, and a nod to the future with some strong young contenders in Tu'ungafasi, Newell and Williams. In fact, the Canterbury front row was one of the few consistently impressive parts of their NPC team.
No change in the hookers. Would be nice if Codie Taylor comes back in better form. Makalio a strong option off the bench and McAlister should be developing nicely for the future.
If the Blues are edging us in the propping department, we should do the same to them in the second row. Whitelock and Barrett a starting All Black combination, Strange and Dunshea on the AB fringes and Romano a powerful and experienced 5th option. Razor talked him up as a potential onfield coach.
The loose forwards aren't quite as impressive on paper - lots of potential, not so much delivery. In fact, it's hard to say what the top combination will be. I suspect that Razor might start with Grace, Christie, Sanders (a tyro All Black and the other two started for the South Island), but there's very little between Christie and Sione Havili (Player of the Year for the national champions). Ethan Blackadder has had terrible luck with injuries, but has been a dominant figure at NPC level, despite that he's not a big 6/8. On form, Whetu Douglas might be shuffled down the pecking order and have to bide his time. We might also see Dunshea play in the loosies at some point.
No change in the halfbacks. The old firm of Hall and Drummond, with Enari as the promising youngster. I'd like to see Enari step his game up significantly this year if he's to be the way of the future.
No change among the first fives either. Remains a significant point of weakness if Mo'unga gets injured. However, Fergus Burke has probably improved and Brett Cameron even had a couple of decent games for Canterbury when the heat was on at the end. Started to look like a decent NPC first five.
Midfield also seems a bit thin with Ennor injured and apparently gone for the season. I'd be inclined to pair Havili and Goodhue, which is potentially more dangerous than Goodhue-Ennor, with Jack at 13. Burke, McLeod and Fainga'anuku behind these guys are more promising than inspiring of confidence. I'd rather have had Fetuli Paea as a back up centre.
Outside backs are absolutely laden with firepower. I think we'll start with Big Leicester, Sevu Reece and Will Jordan - but, with Bridge, Mataele, Fihaki and Punavai in the wings and Havili also around to play fullback.
XXIII for game 1: Moody, Taylor, Alaalatoa, Whitelock, Barrett, Grace, Christie, Sanders, Hall, Mo'unga, Fainga'anuku, D. Havili, Goodhue, Reece, Jordan
Makalio, Bower, Jager, Strange, S. Havili, Drummond, Burke, Fihaki
Punivai likely to get some game time at centre as that is his real position.
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@cgrant said in 2021 Crusaders:
Renton was very good for Ta$man during the last rounds of the M10 Cup. He could have been useful in a rather "meh" loosies' squad.
I think you under rate the LFs a little bit
Grace and Blackadder carry and hit hard
Havilli is the same for a 7
Sanders free of injuries last season went up a couple of levels he performed very well and stood up in the North v South match .
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Fuck me, 255kg. I could do 25.5 ...
https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/super-rugby/300176870/super-rugby-the-rookie-crusaders-prop-who-can-squat-255kg.. Better make it 2.55kg, to be on the safe side!
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@Machpants It won't be a Super Rugby rookie record, but that's very impressive.
I hope the Super Rugby franchises will release some numbers again, late preseason. It, obviously, doesn't necessarily translate to good performances on the field, but I always like seeing player's personal bests, just to get an idea who's the fastest, strongest ...
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@Stargazer now now, you'll be asking for timely injury updates, and accurate squad lists soon. You can just stop that modern fan engagement shit right now!
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I wonder if Grace is seen as the future 8 option, and it'll be Sanders and Blackadder battling it out for the blindside spot.
The loosies and props are a little 'meh' on paper at the moment, but several of those guys may only be one good season away from stepping up and then all of a sudden the 2022 squad looks stellar.
