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@mariner4life said in NFL Season 2020/21/22:
Titans defense making the Rams look super ordinary
Did not see that coming. Defence won't dominate like that each week, but well done Titans to find a way to win without the King.
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And the Raiders cut another first round pick, Damon Arnette. This time he made a video of himself with automatic weapons and made some death threats. Also had an ongoing civil case for a hit and run.
He was taken with one of the first round picks they got from the bears in the Khalil Mack trade, and also in 2020 (same year as Ruggs).
The raiders 2020 draft might just be the biggest bust ever. Two firsts, and both cut in their second year.
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Back to where it all began for Cam, signs with the Panthers. Darnold out for about 4 weeks with a shoulder injury. Will be fun to watch I think.
OBJ also lands with the Rams. Very stacked WR corps now. Will be interesting to see how the workload is split and how OBJ handles potentially being WR3.
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The crazy thing is obj is basically free. Thanks to offset language in the browns deal the Rams contract is deducted from his browns guarantee so he's officially on the vet minimum, which is about 1 million per year.
He'll be a free agent again at the end of the year so will be interesting to see what happens then.
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The Evil Empire aren't dead yet, in fact they are very much fucking alive. That was huge this morning
Crazy season rolls on
Tampa lose to Washington
Cam Newton's return has the Panthers running rough-shod over the Cards
Poor old Detroit just can not win
Dallas put the Falcons right back in their box -
The upsets continue.
49ers trounce the Rams 31-10.
I think that's 5 in a row for 49ers wins over the Rams.
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@kiwimurph said in NFL Season 2020/21/22:
The upsets continue.
49ers trounce the Rams 31-10.
I think that's 5 in a row for 49ers wins over the Rams.
just watching this delayed. Wow.
Who saw this comign? Playoffs are going to be fun this year - no one is going to pick anything
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@kiwimurph said in NFL Season 2020/21/22:
The upsets continue.
49ers trounce the Rams 31-10.
I think that's 5 in a row for 49ers wins over the Rams.
The 49ers run dependent offense is so attritional. No wonder they get so many injuries. It will be interesting if they try to pass more when Lance becomes the starter
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does anybody want to win the bloody thing?
the best record through 10 games is 8-2! There are a lot of 6-win teams as well.
Pretty much no single game looks a given, a good team is only an injured quarterback away from being a shit team.
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@mariner4life said in NFL Season 2020/21/22:
Pretty much no single game looks a given, a good team is only an injured quarterback away from being a shit team.
it's been this way for a while. QB effects are disproportionate. It's amazing.
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interesting article - I don't think it's paywalled.
In the Throws of Change
As defenses threatened to overwhelm a generation of homogeneous passers, quarterbacks were saved by an evolution, which has sparked a coaching revolution. How the exceptional became the norm.
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I've been watching the Post-Brady Pats this year, with Mac Jones.
Bill Belichek is a goddamn genius. He has this ability to pick up a few journeyman, and turn them into an absolute weapon on defence. He does it year after year, it's remarkable.
The contrast with the ABs is pretty stark- you can visibly see the unit improving the longer they get coached and play together.
Also, he's bringing Jones along really well. I was anti the Evil Empire, but bloody hell it's remarkable to watch what Bill is doing at the moment.
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@nzzp said in NFL Season 2020/21/22:
I've been watching the Post-Brady Pats this year, with Mac Jones.
Bill Belichek is a goddamn genius. He has this ability to pick up a few journeyman, and turn them into an absolute weapon on defence. He does it year after year, it's remarkable.
The contrast with the ABs is pretty stark- you can visibly see the unit improving the longer they get coached and play together.
Also, he's bringing Jones along really well. I was anti the Evil Empire, but bloody hell it's remarkable to watch what Bill is doing at the moment.
Jones is being made to look like the pick of the new QBs, sitting at the foot of the master
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He's doing a really nice job of building an offence that Jones is comfortable with and minimizes risk. Will be interesting to see how he develops. Until recently all he did was check down but lately he's opening up a bit, might be a sign than he's starting to see the field better and have more time to read the play.
This class is a nice example of how hard it is to play QB in the NFL. 'Generational' talent Trevor Lawrence is struggling, Fields, Wilson and Lance look barely startable. Will be very interesting to see what they're all looking like at the end of next season. Generally if they're going to break through they'll be at least looking like competent starters by then. Lance maybe the exception if Jimmy G is playing well enough to keep him on the bench. But the others have no talent is front of them so if they're not starters by then they never will be.
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if you are a 1st year QB going high in the draft, going to the Pats is the fucking business
All those others are at dumpster fires with no protection and no one to throw to. And shit defenses.
Jones is at the Pats under arguably the greatest coach of all time
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It's interesting with Wilson since we have Josh Johnson and Mike White to compare his performance with. They had more success than Wilson did and if you look at the film breakdown you can see that White and Johnson are doing a much better job of taking the easy completions and getting the ball out whereas Wilson is looking further down field, waiting longer and trying to produce the big plays. That's probably a result of being able to play hero ball at college and he needs to learn to manage the game better if he wants to succeed.
The Titans game is a good contrast though - that hero ball is what won the Jets the game. So it's about Wilson learning to judge when a quick completion is good enough and when to wait for a play to develop or roll out and try to create something. The ability to produce those plays is why he got drafted 2nd overall, the ability to pick his moments is the difference between being a franchise QB and a bust.
It's been a really interesting contrast and shows pretty nicely the step up QBs need to make to really succeed in NFL. I haven't followed the others as closely but from what I've read there's similar analysis for the others; showing promise but struggling to step up.
The various QB reclamation projects around the league (Sam Darnold, Jarod Goff, Geno Smith (although that was injury enforced)) kind of shows that the whole 'dragged down by surroundings' narrative is really a bit rubbish. Good quality qbs will play well regardless of whose around them and their flaws aren't magically fixed by having a better supporting cast. Stafford is a good example too - his talent was obvious at the Lions and now he's at the Rams he's shining. (Although the last few weeks have been rough).
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@mariner4life said in NFL Season 2020/21/22:
if you are a 1st year QB going high in the draft, going to the Pats is the fucking business
All those others are at dumpster fires with no protection and no one to throw to. And shit defenses.
Jones is at the Pats under arguably the greatest coach of all time
SF basically a run first offense with Jimmy G, Trey needs passing weapons to throw upfield to as well. I'm comfy with him sitting for a year, taking time to learn the systems
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@canefan said in NFL Season 2020/21/22:
@mariner4life said in NFL Season 2020/21/22:
if you are a 1st year QB going high in the draft, going to the Pats is the fucking business
All those others are at dumpster fires with no protection and no one to throw to. And shit defenses.
Jones is at the Pats under arguably the greatest coach of all time
SF basically a run first offense with Jimmy G, Trey needs passing weapons to throw upfield to as well. I'm comfy with him sitting for a year, taking time to learn the systems
Yeah he's also a massive project (Lance) - so not going to know whether it's a strikeout or home run for another year or two.
