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@mariner4life said in NFL Season 2020/21/22:
first reaction was that was a soft flag. But there was enough of a grab that if it was the first quarter no one would have blinked.
So professional by the Chiefs at the end.
Great Superbowl
Really good fun.
The grab was clear - but the first one that the comms team missed a good handful of jersy and clear tug. Flag all day ... if they go down the rugby route of swallowing whistles it'd suck.
Fun game to watch. Chiefs remarkable in picking up offensively - it looked like college ball at times out there; good defenses getting shredded. The hit on the KC back Pacheco was monstrous. Good afternoon, a few beers and very solid entertainment.
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Chiefs are such a good position with Mahomes contract too. Still got another 8 years to run and cap hits stay around 40m each year. That's a ton but with the cap going up so quickly, it's possible that in another year or two he isn't even in the top 10 highest paid QBs in the league.
Meanwhile the Eagles have one year left on Hurts rookie deal. His cap hit next year will be 4m but after that he'll presumably be looking at a mega deal (unless we see a major regression) and they'll have to make sacrifices elsewhere. Since he wasn't a first round pick they won't even get a fifth year option. They'll probably want to do a deal this off-season so will be interesting to see how that goes.
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soooo much anti-ref salt online
i think mainly because the Chiefs won.
"let them play" seems to only mean the defenders, not the obviously impeded receiver trying to make a 3rd and 8 to keep the game going.
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@mariner4life said in NFL Season 2020/21/22:
soooo much anti-ref salt online
i think mainly because the Chiefs won.
"let them play" seems to only mean the defenders, not the obviously impeded receiver trying to make a 3rd and 8 to keep the game going.
and where were they last weekn with the out of bounds hit? Both calls correct - not hard calls, but the right ones.
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@canefan said in NFL Season 2020/21/22:
@Bovidae said in NFL Season 2020/21/22:
I haven't read the comments but the Eagles got the rub of the green with reviews and missed calls (e.g., personal fouls not called).
They got the rub in the NFC championship game too
100% this.
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Well done to KC.
Two even record teams, the top of their conferences that played a pretty even SB. Was always going to be close with a decent score. Can’t ask for more than that.
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Raiders will be releasing Carr shortly, so we're going to have an early start to free agency. Will be very interesting to see how long he waits before signing somewhere. Rodgers is playing his annual game of 'who knows what I'll do', so there's a question for Carr about whether his value goes up or down once Rodgers future is decided.
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@Bovidae said in NFL Season 2020/21/22:
I read an interesting fact about KC. Mahomes didn't have any of his WRs or RBs from their 2019 SB win still in the team for this championship win.
Isn't that due to salary cap? His value eats into what the team can spread around everyone else.
I guess teams get a window of opportunity as player values rise but aren't reflected and some players bank on a ring increasing their future value. After that window the squad can scatter.
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@Crucial said in NFL Season 2020/21/22:
Isn't that due to salary cap? His value eats into what the team can spread around everyone else.
His hit is surprisingly low for an elite QB; 40M a year for 10 years.
The cap keeps rising; he's an absolute bargain at that price. There was som egood reporting on how the Chiefs have planned aroudn him and his cap; I'll see if I can drag it out
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@Bovidae said in NFL Season 2020/21/22:
I read an interesting fact about KC. Mahomes didn't have any of his WRs or RBs from their 2019 SB win still in the team for this championship win.
That's a fun fact but a bit misleading since Kelce was really the number one receiver in 2019 and he's still there, but it's pretty impressive that Hill has gone and Mahomes has basically not missed a beat.
Re salary cap: the big misconception about the salary cap is that it stop teams keeping superstars. Teams can always figure out ways to get a superstar under the cap. The place it really hurts teams is at the solid starter and role player level. You go from having a team with talent all over the field and great depth, to having a handful of superstars on either side of the ball plus a bunch of guys that are below average.
That's a massive part of what makes the draft so important. The odds of a superstar are tiny, but you can realistically get low end starters and role players each year who are price controlled for at least 3 or 4 years.
(The other reason the draft is important is that even though mega hits are rare they're still easier than getting a superstar through free agency or trade)
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@Cyclops squad compilation in the NFL is a complex and super interesting beast. There doesn't seem to be a "one size fits all" pathway to success. And there is no "you absolutely need a superstar in this position" hard and fast rule either.
I saw a couple of really interesting graphics leading up to the SB as to how each team put together their starters. On offence one team traded for most, while the other drafted. On defense the situation was 100% reversed.
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@Cyclops said in NFL Season 2020/21/22:
That's a massive part of what makes the draft so important. The odds of a superstar are tiny, but you can realistically get low end starters and role players each year who are price controlled for at least 3 or 4 years.
Not just low end starters - you can get star Pro Bowl starters.
Take the 49ers for example - George Kittle 5th rounder, Fred Warner 3rd rounder, Deebo Samuel 2nd rounder etc. Time will tell but they may have found a gem in 7th round QB Purdy.
The Seahawks dominant team from a decade ago - Sherman 5th rounder, Chancellor 5th rounder etc.
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famously the Pats picked some fat slow QB from the bottom of the rubbish bin and he went on to be alright
And i have this funny feeling that Brady and the Pats kinda warped what success in the NFL looks like. Traditionally, getting to, let alone winning, a SB was really really hard. Being a contender was looked at as success. I feel like now there is far less patience around "winning" and both coaches and QBs are cut far earlier if they don't bring immediate "success"
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@mariner4life said in NFL Season 2020/21/22:
@Cyclops squad compilation in the NFL is a complex and super interesting beast. There doesn't seem to be a "one size fits all" pathway to success. And there is no "you absolutely need a superstar in this position" hard and fast rule either.
I saw a couple of really interesting graphics leading up to the SB as to how each team put together their starters. On offence one team traded for most, while the other drafted. On defense the situation was 100% reversed.
Agreed, definitely lots of ways to make it work. But the math of the salary cap is similar. You can pull stunts with void years and option/signing bonuses but that only takes you so far and the middle of the roster is where teams generally trim.
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@mariner4life to your point 28 of the 32 NFL head coaches are new to their team from 2017 onwards.
The exceptions are Bellichick, Reid, Tomlin and Carroll.
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@KiwiMurph said in NFL Season 2020/21/22:
@Cyclops said in NFL Season 2020/21/22:
That's a massive part of what makes the draft so important. The odds of a superstar are tiny, but you can realistically get low end starters and role players each year who are price controlled for at least 3 or 4 years.
Not just low end starters - you can get star Pro Bowl starters.
Take the 49ers for example - George Kittle 5th rounder, Fred Warner 3rd rounder, Deebo Samuel 2nd rounder etc. Time will tell but they may have found a gem in 7th round QB Purdy.
The Seahawks dominant team from a decade ago - Sherman 5th rounder, Chancellor 5th rounder etc.
For sure, every year there are a few studs. But they're the exception not the rule. If teams could pick them reliably you wouldn't have mid rounders turning into studs. Hell, how many teams passed on Mahomes?
You can't build a strategy around drafting top 10 players in the draft every year. The saints had one of the best draft classes of all time in 2018 (Lattimore, Williams, Ramzyck, Hendrickson, Kamala). That basically turned the saints from a team in cap hell struggling to get a 500 record to serious contenders virtually overnight. But that's very much an exception to the norm.
The Rams are super interesting, because they've basically said fuck it and are trading away all their high picks for proven players. It's worked in the sense that they have a ring. But they also used their mid round picks pretty effectively and now have an old, top heavy roster. The bills and the 49ers are dabbling with that strategy too. It's basically recognizing that windows in the NFL are short so going all in when you have a favorable situation is worth it.
