'Super Rugby' 2021
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@Derpus said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@mariner4life I think if you secure one of 10 odd RA contracts you are well paid but then it drops off dramatically.
Coleman is currently earning 900k in England. 900k for a player who shouldnt have really been wearing a test jersey the last two years.
You can't compete with that. We just do what we can to keep a semi competitive Wallabies limping along.
mate i think you are grossly over-evaluating what an AB can make in NZ. Certainly what a non-AB can make. I honestly don't know why so many of them stay given the money on offer. Japan looks like a great place to play piss easy rugby for truck loads of money.
The economic realities should have crushed us years ago, and it's a credit to the NZRU that they haven't.
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@mariner4life well i definitely dont have any answers to that. But i think it's pretty obvious you havent suffered from a talent flight to the same extent. And you already had way more talent prior to that.
The reality is, until we can figure out how to keep our talent we'll only occasionally be on a competitive level with you guys. Cutting a team or no.
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@mariner4life said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@Derpus said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@mariner4life I think if you secure one of 10 odd RA contracts you are well paid but then it drops off dramatically.
Coleman is currently earning 900k in England. 900k for a player who shouldnt have really been wearing a test jersey the last two years.
You can't compete with that. We just do what we can to keep a semi competitive Wallabies limping along.
mate i think you are grossly over-evaluating what an AB can make in NZ. Certainly what a non-AB can make. I honestly don't know why so many of them stay given the money on offer. Japan looks like a great place to play piss easy rugby for truck loads of money.
The economic realities should have crushed us years ago, and it's a credit to the NZRU that they haven't.
Yeah Ozzie Super rugby players are paid higher than NZ
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@Derpus said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@mariner4life well i definitely dont have any answers to that. But i think it's pretty obvious you havent suffered from a talent flight to the same extent. And you already had way more talent prior to that.
The reality is, until we can figure out how to keep our talent we'll only occasionally be on a competitive level with you guys. Cutting a team or no.
We've lost shitloads of players. We are lucky that we keep producing more to replace them, and that's where Australia need to focus.
Neither country can compete with European cash, so it whatever system needs to handle that.
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@Kirwan this is what i was going to say, im getting sick of seeing "Overseas All Blacks XV" on social media
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lets also not overlook, in this crying of poverty, that even if the supposed deal for a 16 year old is a 3rd of what's being reported, it's a million dollar deal for a 16 year old.
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That's criminal financial mismanagement, and i would leave as well if i was told to take a pay cut and then read that in the paper.
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@mariner4life said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
All my mates up here who were Reds fans turned it off because they were sick of sucking.
I well recall going to Reds games when they were dreadful and there'd be ~6,000 at Suncorp for a game against a NZ side. Half of them supporting the visitors.
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@Derpus said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@mariner4life well i definitely dont have any answers to that. But i think it's pretty obvious you havent suffered from a talent flight to the same extent.
You might want to look at the 2015 RWC squad. Then there's all the fringe SR players who go OS either for more money or better prospects. The idea that player flight only affects Australia, or it's some outlier is mistaken.
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@mariner4life Yeah - it seems pretty dumb to me
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@antipodean I didn't say it wasn't happening. I said it affects us far worse. Which i stand by.
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@mariner4life said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
lets also not overlook, in this crying of poverty, that even if the supposed deal for a 16 year old is a 3rd of what's being reported, it's a million dollar deal for a 16 year old.
- years. old.
That's criminal financial mismanagement, and i would leave as well if i was told to take a pay cut and then read that in the paper.
What else would you expect from the same organisation that gave Wendy and Tuqiri massive contracts? Spending millions on backs rather than investing in forwards...
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@Derpus said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@antipodean I didn't say it wasn't happening. I said it affects us far worse. Which i stand by.
if it affects you more its only because you dont have the depth to replace those leaving, the actual numbers of players leaving would be comparable at least, and so concentrating on player retention rather than development is only going to get Aus in the same situation you've been in before, aging player that havent been overtaken looking for a retirement deal
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@Derpus said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@antipodean I didn't say it wasn't happening. I said it affects us far worse. Which i stand by.
At the risk of citing Mark Keohane in 2017:
The South African professional system does not invest in the player as the game’s asset, which is why close to 300 South Africans play professional rugby outside of South Africa and 15 of those players represented other countries at the 2015 World Cup.New Zealand has 600 professional players off-shore and 38 played for other countries in the 2015 World Cup.
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@antipodean It was around 60, the most by a factor of 3, NZ born players in other teams at RWC19. IIRC
Nope I remember incorrectly!
Obviously England right up there, when it is the same country at 3 others at the RWC.
I just like posting this bit of fact
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@antipodean Ya but as a percentage of available professional players it's not even close. You pretty much exclusively produce Rugby players as winter athletes. We already only produce a fraction of what NZ (or SA) do.
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@Derpus said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@antipodean Ya but as a percentage of available professional players it's not even close. You pretty much exclusively produce Rugby players as winter athletes. We already only produce a fraction of what NZ (or SA) do.
Are you aware how many NRL players are from NZ?
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@Derpus said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@antipodean I didn't say it wasn't happening. I said it affects us far worse. Which i stand by.
Because you cant re-supply 4 or 5 teams with the replacement talent of equal promise.
NZ loses more players, but judge they can still support 5 teams despite the churn. Hence we dont have a second Auckland team.
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@antipodean Okay - so you are so prodigous at producing talent you also supply the NRL. What's your point? you still far and away eclipse us in terms of available talent. You have players ready and able to step into the vacuum when you lose say a mid tier SR level player.
We don't. That simple. Every player we lose means a drop in quality.
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@Derpus said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@antipodean Ya but as a percentage of available professional players it's not even close. You pretty much exclusively produce Rugby players as winter athletes. We already only produce a fraction of what NZ (or SA) do.
Hence why Aus cant sustain more than 3 Franchises. And ... we're back at the start .......
