Coronavirus - New Zealand
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@nzzp said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
Jacinda Ardern poured cold water on the idea at today’s post-Cabinet press conference, reiterating that Level 2 may last for “some time” and that a move to Level 1 won’t be considered for at least as long as there remains a threat that organisers decide to go ahead with annual kids’ concert Christmas in the Park.
Ardern said the risk that Christmas in the Park still happens is “not negligible”, and that the country must remain vigilant and prepared.
“The last thing we would want is to signal a move down to Level 1 and open the door for those with ill intent to stage what would otherwise be prohibited events,” she said. “I know that there are many good, hard working, honest event organisers out there who wouldn’t ever consider hosting something like that, and I know things are very very hard right now, but if we move too early, without proper consideration, the results could be catastrophic.”
A bunch of kiwi “celebs” singing awful Christmas Carols ? Fuck me, people should be kissing Cindy for cancelling that shit.
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@taniwharugby said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@tewaio although they arent being locked up like a criminal (plenty have proven this) more like kids who need a babysitter...
@nzzp so NPC is gone at L3...
Locked up is locked up!
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@tewaio to law abiding citizens maybe, but plenty have gotten out of MIQ, but prison is usually tougher to get out of.
On the topic of vaccination, some expert was on 7 Sharp last night, saying he wants to see 90% by November and 99% by December...lofty goals.
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@taniwharugby said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
On the topic of vaccination, some expert was on 7 Sharp last night, saying he wants to see 90% by November and 99% by December...lofty goals.
I want that too - but realistically I can't see it happening. It would be awesome, but so many people are averse or stupid, or both
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There's no problem to have lofty goals, the higher the better. I'm assuming 90%/99% is of eligible NZ population ie age 12+??
What you see at some point, is the rate of new vaccinations starts dropping off rapidly and that's reality kicking in.
But Portugal have 87% with one shot, 81% fully vaccinated so 90% seems not impossible. They are an outlier for sure.
Most of Europe is far closer to 65% first shot and 75% fully vaccinated.
UK focussing on the "delayed" 12-16 age group, and booster shots for risk groups and 50+
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@voodoo said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
Love NZ 😍
I thought they might have patrolled those gravel roads. South of Port Waikato and south of Onewhero where I grew up is Wops wops territory. The gang members should have dressed up as shearers.
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@taniwharugby said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@tewaio to law abiding citizens maybe, but plenty have gotten out of MIQ, but prison is usually tougher to get out of.
On the topic of vaccination, some expert was on 7 Sharp last night, saying he wants to see 90% by November and 99% by December...lofty goals.
And I want to have sex with Charlize Theron by December too.
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@antipodean equally as likely to happen too
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@taniwharugby said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@antipodean equally as likely to happen too
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Quote from Stuff this morning.
He (Bloomfeild) said vaccination rates need to be north of 90 per cent before they’re confident of opening up the freedoms of alert level 1.
I get how this aligns with experiences overseas by countries that have decided to 'live with it' but I can't see how even L2 is sustainable in the long run. It's not just the businesses affected by customer restrictions it's also the H&S aspect and many workplaces.
At my workplace we need to get permission to go into the office and as much as we have the tools to wfh, lots gets missed by not having those general workplace discussions etc.The experience of Denmark with a similar population, a double vax rate of around 85% and twice our intensive care capacity has an infection rate of about 350 per day (interestingly this is dropping day by day) and a death rate of about 2-3 per day.
Hospitalisation, which IMO shows the pressure placed on the health system), shows around 100 people in beds with about 20% of those in intensive care and 75% of those on ventilators.Our variables are different of course, Our avg population density is much much lower (18 per sq km/137 psk) but maybe our underlying respiratory health is lower.
It looks to me that Denmark is making a good case for Bloomfield to turn attention to preparing hospital resources to ensure that pressure isn't felt rather than strangling everyones lives once we reach about 85%
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@kirwan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
We will never get 90% vaccination rates.
That’s just another way of saying the lockdown level is permanent.
Has any other country exceeded 90? From memory one is at 87?
Looking at Denmark again (a very compliant people that buy into the value of being part of a society), and they are at 86.4 for partially vaccinated but 84.4 for fully. Although people are still getting shots it is mostly closing that small gap with about 0.2% new vax starters per day. Maybe in about another month they will be near 90?
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@crucial said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@kirwan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
We will never get 90% vaccination rates.
That’s just another way of saying the lockdown level is permanent.
Has any other country exceeded 90? From memory one is at 87?
Looking at Denmark again (a very compliant people that buy into the value of being part of a society), and they are at 86.4 for partially vaccinated but 84.4 for fully. Although people are still getting shots it is mostly closing that small gap with about 0.2% new vax starters per day. Maybe in about another month they will be near 90?
Oneworld in data shows Portugal at 87% first vaccine.
Denmark shows 76% first (which is similar to most of Europe).
Where are you getting those Denmark numbers from??