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@booboo said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@taniwharugby said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@jc Since found out, apparently all 8 are in Whangarei
@taniwharugby said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
Thought they would be. As I understand it one of the issues with ICU beds is having trained staff.
They'd have to group them all together as they can't really have multiple crews looking after 2 beds in a "remote" hospital that may not be occupied.
I know nothing but I'm sort of guessing you would need at least 3.5 crews to cover an ICU unit based on 3 x 8 hour shifts, and is it 1 nurse per bed?
Easier if they're all in one place.
IIRC both parents were transferred to Whangarei from Laura is (and onwards as necessary) even as far back as the early 90s, even when Kaitaia was a much more resourced hospital.
All this written in the great Fern tradition of ignorance and conjecture.
Correct, ICU best practice is 1 nurse per patient/bed at all times. To allow for leave etc, a typical figure is usually 5-6 nurses per bed. There is also the High Dependency Unit (HDU - this is also included in the press releases) as kind of a halfway house between standard hospital wards and ICU, and the ratio there is about 1 nurse to 2-3 patients/beds, so increasing that is also part of the picture (probably at least as relevant as ICU).
One of the reporting issues on how many beds there are is that it's dependent on staffing being available, so DHB reports to the Ministry of Health are how many beds were available and used (occupancy) on a given day/week, not actually how many physical beds they have, since a bed that can't be staffed isn't much use.
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@taniwharugby said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@l_n_p said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
At this stage no-one was vaccinated (in effect).
UK testing was pretty good by then so 6.7% hospital admissions of unvaccinated?yeah thats my hope that as our vaccination rates are probably higher than most other nations when Delta hit, it shouldnt be as much of a burden on our health system as it leaks into our communities, especially as we head into summer.
Right, but it's still a significant risk for elderly/at risk groups groups. I've attached the latest UK official Public Health comparative numbers ... btw "emergency care" is an UK admissions pipeline, it does not imply ICU at all.
UK admissions will be impacted (i.e. increased) by waning vaccination immunity after 4-6 months in the oldest groups, hence the booster program on offer ...
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@rapido said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
Weekly MOH update.
Can see Super Saturday clearly in here:
These are the good numbers from the age breakdown.
That 65 and over double vax percentage is good, I think it's around 93-94% in UK.
It may be significant that the UK has an extra layer of antibody immunity from prior infection. So the latest Public Health report here also noted that (my summary) ...
"Roche S (a test which detects both post-infection antibodies and vaccine-induced antibodies) seropositivity has now plateaued ...
Aged 70 to 84 reaching 99.3%
Aged 60 to 69 reaching 98.9%
Aged 50 to 59 reaching 99.2%
Aged 40 to 49 reaching 98.0%
Aged 30-39 reaching 97.1%" -
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@mariner4life
Mine (with the circle), or the MoH graphic I copied it from? -
@rapido said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@mariner4life
Mine (with the circle), or the MoH graphic I copied it from?the MoH
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@mariner4life said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@rapido said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
what the hell is the point of this graphic?
Labour identity politics. They are currently in the process of splitting everything up by your ehtnic group (going to be a DHB only for Maori, 3 Waters will be in partnership with Maori, etc etc)
This graph will allow them to point at Maori vaccination rates and say the current system is racist, so we need to wait until all groups are 90/95% vaccinated to protect them. And be kind.
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@kirwan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@mariner4life said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@rapido said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
what the hell is the point of this graphic?
Labour identity politics. They are currently in the process of splitting everything up by your ehtnic group (going to be a DHB only for Maori, 3 Waters will be in partnership with Maori, etc etc)
This graph will allow them to point at Maori vaccination rates and say the current system is racist, so we need to wait until all groups are 90/95% vaccinated to protect them. And be kind.
and the opposite of kind will happen
dumb white fluffybunnies will whinge about the bloody darkies
Maori will see this as validation of the racism inherent in the rollout
The Asians think you are all fucking uselessand everyone is just more pissed. A pointless division of people fueling garbage narratives that will distract dipshits from the real problem, the government and their departments
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@mariner4life yep. Fuels division.
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@kirwan jump on FB and see plenty of that there.
Was talking to an Employment law person this morning and they said very single phone call they get at the moment is about vaccines; can I make staff get it, can I sack someone if they refuse, what is these staff wont work with those ones due to vaccine status etc
Then another who runs home based ECE and are issues there as not only staff meant to be vaccinated for them to stay employed, thier family are meant to be as well, which is a whole other can of worms.
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@rapido said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
Probably most cases won't be ICU though right? That would be those requiring ventilators?
Those requiring just oxygen and some monitoring etc will be HDU?I'm just talking a bit of shit, not from any area of expertise.
Ventilators are HDU as well rather than ICU only although currently anyone on a ventilator is ICU because we have the capacity for that. Agree that HDU is probably at least as relevant as ICU in this.
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@kirwan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@mariner4life said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@rapido said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
what the hell is the point of this graphic?
Labour identity politics. They are currently in the process of splitting everything up by your ehtnic group (going to be a DHB only for Maori, 3 Waters will be in partnership with Maori, etc etc)
This graph will allow them to point at Maori vaccination rates and say the current system is racist, so we need to wait until all groups are 90/95% vaccinated to protect them. And be kind.
I can't decide if it's identity politics, or just scrambling for another way to cut the numbers so as to avoid opening up, getting cases, and exposing the flaws in the strategy and performance over the last 18mths
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It's been there right from the start, or at lease very early.
Back before the delta breach, Pasifika over 65 years old living in Counties Manukau DHB for example - were prioritised in the vaccination rollout. Part of the 'Group 2' I think.
Can't remember if there were any other ethnic reasons for it.
Not of much use now, though, except to wonder at the Asians and tut-tut at the Maori.
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Man, Whangarei was insanely busy today, was Christmas like busy....
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@snowy said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
These boundaries are fucking stupid. I've had two ten tonne diggers sitting on my property doing nothing for over a week. I can see where the drivers live from my place but they aren't allowed to come and work. Father and son team who will be in contact with no one, both double jabbed.
A team of builders who can't do a thing because the piles aren't in place.
Materials to build all sorted. Just the fucking stupid boundary that is making it all go wrong. Idiotic government. They are supposed to be essential workers but can't come and and work on an 11 hectare property within their own bubble? All they see is some alpacas, ducks, geese, and chooks but they aren't allowed over over some imaginary line that the powers that be think covid won't cross. It's just so stupid it defies belief.
The arbitrary nature of things right now is doing people's heads in
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