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I think with a lot of the Maori communities there is a pretty deep distrust of the government which is feeding into their reluctance to get vaccinated.
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@majorrage said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@jc easy solution.
Lockdown Murupara.
Will anybody notice?
The P trade?
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@jc said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@canefan Is it that simple though? Did you see this? The kaumatua in Murupara are saying that as a community they have made a conscious decision not to get vaccinated because they are waiting for a better one. I’m sorry but this is simply ignorance and it’s being indulged by the government n and the DOH at the expense of fully vaccinated Aucklanders who can’t live their lives.
I had a more violent reaction to that article, as I posted above. You're right in that it is ignorance - but it is also utter arrogance. The idea that this community gets to select the best vaccine (in their educated view) globally, then demand the Govt procure, fund, deliver, and administer said vaccine to them, is absolutely outrageous.
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@voodoo unfortunately every day we see stuff about how the Maori are being left behind and will suffer as a consequence, yet you have community leaders like the one in that article hindering any good work in other areas, and likely influencing others outside his community too...I bet if he, like Hone Harawira and others of similar standing in Maori communities were actively promoting vaccinations in these smaller communities, with mobile vaccinations units and Maori Health advocates, the reach would be greater.
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We're going to be locked down forever (sorry if it's a re-post)
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@taniwharugby TBF to Hone Harawira I have heard him on the radio many times urging Maori to go out and get vaccinated +++++++++.
OI also heard an interesting interview this morning with a PI health provider from south Auckland bemoaning the lack of dialogue with the government. He argued that the quarantine at home plan won't work in South Auckland where you might have 12 adults in a 3 bedroom home and that it will streatch already very busy local health resources by providing a Covid incubator.He didn't play the race card butr did say that he thought Wellington was out of touch with the reality in Akl and aren't engaging with the people working amongst Covid.
He asked why the mooted programme was launched by Minister alongside a GP from Karori and suggested this was indicative of the Govt's insularity.
All good points IMO.
To balance that there was also a piece by epidemiologist Rod Jackson saying the govt's traffic light system is the wrong step. He wasn't arguing against opening up but said next year was going to be very difficult because there were going to be half a million unvaxed and Covid was going to spread through that population quickly.
He said for the overwhelming majority of double vaxed Covid will be like a booster vaccine shot, might fe4el a bit ropey for a couple of days but then you will have even more immunity but that based on overseas experience 10% of the unvaxed will need hospitilisation and that a rigid system will not be able to spread this out. He believes next year is all about balancing the case load so hospitals don't get overwhelmed and that we therefore need a more nuanced and agile approach citing Singapore as a exemplar in the way they have prevented a peak demands post opening up.
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@dogmeat said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
He said for the overwhelming majority of double vaxed Covid will be like a booster vaccine shot, might fe4el a bit ropey for a couple of days but then you will have even more immunity but that based on overseas experience 10% of the unvaxed will need hospitilisation and that a rigid system will not be able to spread this out. He believes next year is all about balancing the case load so hospitals don't get overwhelmed and that we therefore need a more nuanced and agile approach citing Singapore as a exemplar in the way they have prevented a peak demands post opening up.
So, sort of flattening the curve, you say...?
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@dogmeat said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
To balance that there was also a piece by epidemiologist Rod Jackson saying the govt's traffic light system is the wrong step. He wasn't arguing against opening up but said next year was going to be very difficult because there were going to be half a million unvaxed and Covid was going to spread through that population quickly.
guess the thing there, is those 500k unvaccinated are spread around NZ, it would be the pockets of higher % unvaccinated that will be of more concern.
Seems we are in a bit of a loop, going round and round, over the same BS every day in our media, with experts every day saying this, health experts saying that, community leaders something else the Govt announcing annoucements...I barely watch the ews, I think I need to block myself from Newshub/Stuff....
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@taniwharugby I'd be interested to see an overlay of the pockets of unvaxxed vs ICU / high-dependency unit capacity. I bet there aren't hundreds of ICU beds in central North Island. Or Northland.
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@jc Since found out, apparently all 8 are in Whangarei
@taniwharugby said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
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@taniwharugby Nobody could ever have foreseen that Covid might have required you to have more than 8. When your neighbours can't get admitted to hospital after a heart attack it will be nobody's fault, and to suggest otherwise would be unkind.
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@taniwharugby said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@jc Since found out, apparently all 8 are in Whangarei
@taniwharugby said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
Does anyone have Brian Tamakis email address ? this might interest him.
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@nzzp said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
94 new cases today. We're on track to crack a hundred really soon. This is going sideways even at L3.whatever
We have a long way to go to catch up with Melbourne's 2000 or so a day. Soon infected people won't be sent to hotels around the city because they will all be full
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@canefan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@nzzp said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
94 new cases today. We're on track to crack a hundred really soon. This is going sideways even at L3.whatever
We have a long way to go to catch up with Melbourne's 2000 or so a day. Soon infected people won't be sent to hotels around the city because they will all be full
of course, at the end of August Melbourne was only getting 75 a day as well
something to look forward to...
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@canefan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@nzzp said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
94 new cases today. We're on track to crack a hundred really soon. This is going sideways even at L3.whatever
We have a long way to go to catch up with Melbourne's 2000 or so a day. Soon infected people won't be sent to hotels around the city because they will all be full
what @mariner4life said - it really doesn't take long to cycle 20/100/500/2500. They were here a few weeks ago.
I'm also sadly not surprised. Delta is here to stay, L4 won't wipe it out, L3 is barely controlling it. If we're not talking about flattening the curve, we're deluding ourselves ... the options are Delta now, or Delta later I fear.
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@nzzp said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@canefan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@nzzp said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
94 new cases today. We're on track to crack a hundred really soon. This is going sideways even at L3.whatever
We have a long way to go to catch up with Melbourne's 2000 or so a day. Soon infected people won't be sent to hotels around the city because they will all be full
what @mariner4life said - it really doesn't take long to cycle 20/100/500/2500. They were here a few weeks ago.
I'm also sadly not surprised. Delta is here to stay, L4 won't wipe it out, L3 is barely controlling it. If we're not talking about flattening the curve, we're deluding ourselves ... the options are Delta now, or Delta later I fear.
leave the "i fear" off. it's a fact.
as for "flattening the curve"
i am kinds suprised with how cool everyone is with the term "prevent the hospital system being overrun" when the reason that is an issue is because of the spending decisions of successive governments
"yeah, we gutted the health system and run it right on the line, so you have to stay in your houses suckers. Soz. lol. be kind though"
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