NRL 2020
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@South-Africa-Man said in NRL 2020:
Desperate times call for desperate measures I suppose. The Worriers are once again at the foot of the table showcasing another under performing New Zealand team. The Worriers should watch footage of prime Frans Botha in order the inspire themselves to great performances as he is the polar opposite of the Worriers players.
Your posts make me wish Jaguars4life or whatever his name is was still around.
Another nuisance soon to be cut short I'd expect
He spelt it ‘worriers’.....oh my sides.....what wit.
Subtle. Like a sledgehammer
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The latest news is that Nathan Brown will be the new Warriors coach.
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The latest news is that Nathan Brown will be the new Warriors coach.
Another hire from the NRL coaching merry go round. Uninspiring
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i thought he did a decent job at the Knights actually.
It's not the most overwhelming signing, but then i doubt there were a heap of realistic options
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@mariner4life said in NRL 2020:
i thought he did a decent job at the Knights actually.
It's not the most overwhelming signing, but then i doubt there were a heap of realistic options
The Walkers were keen. Don't want to bang on, but if they get a chance elsewhere and do great I will be unhappy just like I was when we failed to make a play for Luke Lewis
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@mariner4life said in NRL 2020:
i thought he did a decent job at the Knights actually.
It's not the most overwhelming signing, but then i doubt there were a heap of realistic options
The Walkers were keen. Don't want to bang on, but if they get a chance elsewhere and do great I will be unhappy just like I was when we failed to make a play for Luke Lewis
there might be a reason that absolutely no one is taking a punt on them, despite some terrible teams with shit coaches at the helm.
They've made their desire to coach at the top level plain for a long time, and yet they don't have a gig.
Don't get me wrong, i absolutely would love to see them given a shot, but i am starting to get the impression they are never going to get one anywhere
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I liked the walker brothers for the very reason that they were an unknown quantity. The reality is that bar a handful of players, the current Warriors squad is a dumpster fire made up of guys past their use-by, guys who probably wouldn't make many other squads, and other mediocre players. Even under someone like Bellamy I doubt this squad could be top 4. At least taking a chance on the brothers would give them a chance to prove their mettle with a team who sadly won't do much without a complete overhaul.
Im a loyal as hell fan, but the Blake Green saga summed up the current Warriors outfit for me - publicly tell him he's not wanted, give him the option of immediate release and then publicly complain when he leaves that his heart wasn't in it. What did they expect was going to happen?
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@aucklandwarlord said in NRL 2020:
I liked the walker brothers for the very reason that they were an unknown quantity. The reality is that bar a handful of players, the current Warriors squad is a dumpster fire made up of guys past their use-by, guys who probably wouldn't make many other squads, and other mediocre players. Even under someone like Bellamy I doubt this squad could be top 4. At least taking a chance on the brothers would give them a chance to prove their mettle with a team who sadly won't do much without a complete overhaul.
Im a loyal as hell fan, but the Blake Green saga summed up the current Warriors outfit for me - publicly tell him he's not wanted, give him the option of immediate release and then publicly complain when he leaves that his heart wasn't in it. What did they expect was going to happen?
Hard to disagree with any of this.
I'm hopeful that the axe is swung and we see off players like Blair and Hiku. Brown built a good team at the Knights and perhaps he can do the same for us. But can he do it without alienating the fan base.
Where it gets tricky for any Australian coach is obviously the culture shock. The bro culture etc. How do you get a NZ rugby union type work ethic out of a NZ rugby league player?
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@aucklandwarlord said in NRL 2020:
I liked the walker brothers for the very reason that they were an unknown quantity.
A mate who is very close to the organisation has had dealings with some of their ex-players. The general line was that they loved their footy more under the brothers than ever. A lot of fun, hard work, lots of chances to express themselves with ball in hand. I mean does that sound like a fit for the Warriors to you???
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Brown can't be any worse than Kearney can he ...?
I know that Gus has got a lot of mana in Oz league circles, but not sure if he'll be able to translate that in NZ - unless he's only going to be building up pathways for the Warriors in Oz.
@raznomore said in NRL 2020:
I'm hopeful that the axe is swung and we see off players like Blair and Hiku.
I've fully come around on Hiku, he's a wee bit rocks and diamonds, but he's tightened up his defence a bit, and he's a wingers best centre. Ken (2019) and Fus (2018) were both off the charts good in the past two years ... the years they were playing outside Hiku.
@raznomore said in NRL 2020:
Where it gets tricky for any Australian coach is obviously the culture shock. The bro culture etc. How do you get a NZ rugby union type work ethic out of a NZ rugby league player?
It's always confused me as to why the bro culture in league doesn't really happen in rugby. When the Blues were down there was whispering under the breath about it but there's still a bucket load of bros there now, and the Canes have always had lots of bros and been fairly successful, the Chiefs have lots, the ABs have lots ....
Hopefully Brown doesn't try the Trent Barrett face slap on one of the bros.
@aucklandwarlord said in NRL 2020:
Im a loyal as hell fan, but the Blake Green saga summed up the current Warriors outfit for me - publicly tell him he's not wanted, give him the option of immediate release and then publicly complain when he leaves that his heart wasn't in it. What did they expect was going to happen?
That was the owner just flexing his muscles due to the player agent stuff wasn't it? TBH, Green should have been gone with Kearney before the season even started.
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@aucklandwarlord said in NRL 2020:
I liked the walker brothers for the very reason that they were an unknown quantity.
A mate who is very close to the organisation has had dealings with some of their ex-players. The general line was that they loved their footy more under the brothers than ever. A lot of fun, hard work, lots of chances to express themselves with ball in hand. I mean does that sound like a fit for the Warriors to you???
The brothers coaching the bros - seems like a perfect fit.
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It's always confused me as to why the bro culture in league doesn't really happen in rugby.
I can only speak for my own experiences within the league culture in Wellington through the 90s and early 2000s. But when I played league I played with a lot of social misfits. Not saying that there aren't any types of people like these in Union but I played on one team where most of the forward pack had done time. Lots of gang members etc. I played aged grade reps from 13-19yo. There were a few guys that switched to union and got higher honours, NPC, Super Rugby and Island nation test rugby. But not a whole lot of guys progressed to anything other than Wellington Orcas who stayed in league. The Canterbury and Auckland league scenes are very different again. But from my own experience League was a little counter-culture and always about being less stuffy than union.
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@raznomore said in NRL 2020:
It's always confused me as to why the bro culture in league doesn't really happen in rugby.
I can only speak for my own experiences within the league culture in Wellington through the 90s and early 2000s. But when I played league I played with a lot of social misfits. Not saying that there aren't any types of people like these in Union but I played on one team where most of the forward pack had done time. Lots of gang members etc. I played aged grade reps from 13-19yo. There were a few guys that switched to union and got higher honours, NPC, Super Rugby and Island nation test rugby. But not a whole lot of guys progressed to anything other than Wellington Orcas who stayed in league. The Canterbury and Auckland league scenes are very different again. But from my own experience League was a little counter-culture and always about being less stuffy than union.
I go back further , 70s
grew up playing in league clubs in Auckland ,(Manurewa then pakuranga ) , most of my early rugby was playing for my school teams , then played a bit of club rugby in my teens ( pakuranga )
At one point I played rugby for my school on a Sat morning , then played league in the afternoon under a fake name ( playing league was a crime then in rugby circles , for example if you got caught you were banned for life at senior level )
The two cultures were very different , and i know what you mean about the misfits
Without meaning to stereotype, Rugby clubs had more of a private school feel , league clubs had more of a south auckland public school feel , -
@raznomore I guess being from Hawkes Bay all the league players were rugby players too back then. Although I have heard there is a gang influence in league now in the Bay which is unfortunate.
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I don't even know that the bro culture is endemic to NZ rugby league players as such, but more a Warriors-specific thing. There are plenty of kiwi league players in other NRL clubs who graft away, are accountable for performances and perform accordingly. Part of me thinks its just a club culture that has formed over the past 25 years.
The plight of Daniel Anderson would suggest that whenever they have a coach who tries to crush it, the players collectively revolt, and the coach goes.
I wonder if its because many of the senior players spend so long toiling overseas that when they come back to NZ they see it as a bit of a step down in gear being back around their family, back in familiar surroundings etc. One only has to look at the number of kiwi players who left the warriors and almost immediately thrived elsewhere to think its a club-specific culture that just can't be eradicated
