Cricket: NZ vs Aus
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@barbarian said in Cricket: NZ vs Aus:
@Chris-B said in Cricket: NZ vs Aus:
@barbarian There's no doubt though that we've had the rough end of Marais' decisions.
Sure. You've had a couple of 50/50s go against you. Nothing historically bad though.
It hasn't decided the test series. The aussie quicks have been as good as I can recall for a while, and we helped out with plenty of ill disciplined self inflicted wounds. But when you need everything to go your way to stay in the game these decisions hurt more
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Everyone is talking as if the series is over and done. I remind you all that the final test is still on and all 3 results are possible.
It is irresponsible to talk about whether umpiring decisions have played a part in the result when we don't even know what that result is.
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De Grandhomme making runs, when it really doesn't fuckin' matter anymore.
We've been poor this series - if you went through the team, Watling gets a pass as wicket-keeper, Wagner as a bowler, but literally everyone else has absolutely conspired to play some of their absolute worst cricket in a looooong time.
Injuries & illness haven't helped.
I also think Australia stepped it up a notch from their Pakistan series, I really think they set themselves the goal of bringing their A game against us to put us back in our place. Oh an Labuschagne - why can't we find someone like that by accident. -
@Damo said in Cricket: NZ vs Aus:
Everyone is talking as if the series is over and done. I remind you all that the final test is still on and all 3 results are possible.
It is irresponsible to talk about whether umpiring decisions have played a part in the result when we don't even know what that result is.
um. the series is done. we're down 2-zip in a 3 game series. we lost. by miles.
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Well that was shit.
Funny looking shot to get out to. Almost looked like he was trying to hit it up. Would have been better to have a real go at the ball rather than the half hearted shot he played.
Astle looked up with our best batsmen in the first innings.
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Best move is just to declare from here.
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@westcoastie said in Cricket: NZ vs Aus:
@Damo said in Cricket: NZ vs Aus:
Everyone is talking as if the series is over and done. I remind you all that the final test is still on and all 3 results are possible.
It is irresponsible to talk about whether umpiring decisions have played a part in the result when we don't even know what that result is.
um. the series is done. we're down 2-zip in a 3 game series. we lost. by miles.
Crucial test championship points still up for grabs though.
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@westcoastie Tim Southee was decent in the first test. Rossco and Kane were bloody brave in that night session on the second day.
Blundell was good in the second test and OK in the first innings here.
Tom Latham's had a couple of decent innings.
But, as a unit we have crumbled badly. In Perth especially and Melbourne, the Aussie pace attack was too hot to handle. But, on this pitch, they have been less of a threat, but we haven't been good enough to make runs.
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@Chris-B said in Cricket: NZ vs Aus:
@westcoastie Tim Southee was decent in the first test. Rossco and Kane were bloody brave in that night session on the second day.
Blundell was good in the second test and OK in the first innings here.
Tom Latham's had a couple of decent innings.
But, as a unit we have crumbled badly. In Perth especially and Melbourne, the Aussie pace attack was too hot to handle. But, on this pitch, they have been less of a threat, but we haven't been good enough to make runs.
A lot of the wickets Southee took were when Australia were 50+ overs deep and very well set. Thats not his job. His is to take wickets early. Any number of our players had 10 or 15 over spells when they might've look the goods, but never good enough for long enough.
The one positive is (so long as we don't put it down as a one-off aberration) is that every single deficiency we have has been exposed. -
FFS.
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@westcoastie said in Cricket: NZ vs Aus:
The one positive is (so long as we don't put it down as a one-off aberration) is that every single deficiency we have has been exposed.
Actually, I largely disagree with your last comment. Far too often in our cricket history we've been routed by Australia, come home with our tails between our legs, dropped a bunch of players and replaced them with people who are worse.
So, while the Aussies have exposed our deficiencies when confronted with fairly extreme pace and bounce, I think the selectors should almost totally disregard this series when picking our future teams.
We have some work-ons, but harsh reality is that unless we uncover our own versions of Cummins, Starc et al, we are not going to seriously compete with this Aussie team on Australian pitches.
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i can't begin to express how disappointed i am by this whole tour. okay, yes, i have expressed exactly that, repeatedly, throughout this thread, but, you know...
At the start i was bullish, we were finally sending a good team to Australia, and we were going to have a real crack at the Aussies, and put them back in their box. It didn't matter what they had just done to Pakistan, because we were the real deal.
And look what happens
As i always say, as a sports fan, it's the expectation that kills you.
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As opposed to laying fault at our lot..
Full credit to Australia , before the series they looked a good team on paper, and boy did they show it..
There bowling attack is world class ,and that was without Hazelwood for most of the series..
They bowled continuously at the stumps and at pace.
and with you only really need one of your batsman to have a stellar series and that’s how it panned out..
Also full credit to their skipper, Paine ,thought his glove work in the main was excellent and managed his bowlers expertly ..
Sometimes you have just got take it on the chin and admit you have well and truly been beaten by a better team..
Gotta say, really enjoyed the coverage from the Australian commentary team..superb..! -
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The fact of the matter is, a whole bunch of senior players went seriously MIA on this tour. If not for heroics at certain times, Wagner's bowling, Blundell's century, the odd 50 from lower order players, our humiliation would have been far worse.
You gotta ask - how did we fall so far. Even with a great Aussie bowling lineup (and no question there) our experienced senior batsmen like Ross and Kane were woeful. Unfortunately his captaincy wasn't much better. We all know Kane is a true great, so what the hell happened?
Like others have said, it's the nature of complete capitulation here. Aussie at home were always going to be a hard ask, but we brought wet bus tickets to a gunfight. And that's what hurts most.
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@mariner4life said in Cricket: NZ vs Aus:
i can't begin to express how disappointed i am by this whole tour. okay, yes, i have expressed exactly that, repeatedly, throughout this thread, but, you know...
At the start i was bullish, we were finally sending a good team to Australia, and we were going to have a real crack at the Aussies, and put them back in their box. It didn't matter what they had just done to Pakistan, because we were the real deal.
And look what happens
As i always say, as a sports fan, it's the expectation that kills you.
It's not the done thing, but post #3 on this thread.
@Chris-B said in Cricket: NZ vs Aus:
@Xpat61 I'm too haunted.
I fear we're going to end up wishing we had a couple of 6'6 bowlers who can bowl 145+ kmh.
But, I have to say, we've been much more disappointing than I expected. I thought we'd at least be as competitive as last time we were here, but we weren't close.
The most disastrous tour in more than a decade - back to the days when Dan Vettori was our captain, coach, bus driver and team.
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@Mokey said in Cricket: NZ vs Aus:
You gotta ask - how did we fall so far. Even with a great Aussie bowling lineup (and no question there) our experienced senior batsmen like Ross and Kane were woeful. Unfortunately his captaincy wasn't much better. We all know Kane is a true great, so what the hell happened?
Kane? First innings in Perth was facing the pink ball under lights. I thought he and Ross were great against some of the scariest bowling I've seen.
Second innings caught Wade bowled Lyon - I can't recall.
First innings in Melbourne - a wild swipe.
Second innings - fired out by Marais.
I' suspect that first session in Perth got into our heads a bit.
