Cricket: NZ vs Aus
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@Rembrandt said in Cricket: NZ vs Aus:
some sort of party area where security is a bit more lax and people know what they are going into
Hong Kong sevens south stand. Works well, go in there at your peril.
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I was there on Boxing Day and confirm people were getting booted left right and centre for nothing - skulling beers and cup snakes. It was entirely over the top fun police - by the security guards not the police - I saw a guy skull a beer right in front of a cop and the cop just had a quiet word with him and walked away.
Ironically the crowd was bloody well behaved - even in the afternoon after some time in the sun and a few beers - a few mexican waves - nothing unruly at all.
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More fuel to the DRS fire.
Tim Paine has has also been added to my dickheads file after I initially liked him.
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I like that someone is questioning DRS. It brings up some weird decisions all the time and it needs to be called out - giving it some untouchable status is crazy - it deserves criticism.
However on Paine I do find it funny that the 'nice guy' Australia have brought in as captain to help change the culture and change the image of the team is the mouthiest guy in world cricket - his gob is non stop. Straya!
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@KiwiMurph said in Cricket: NZ vs Aus:
I like that someone is questioning DRS. It brings up some weird decisions all the time and it needs to be called out - giving it some untouchable status is crazy - it deserves criticism.
To a point. One of the few "crazy decisions" was when they used the wrong delivery recently - I think in NZ v England, but it got picked up.
Did you see the pre match thing where they showed how ball tracking was done? Worth a watch if it is available on utube.
Definitively use the 1/2 ball thing to allow for inaccuracies but that is still better than an umpire who sees it once, live. No slow mo, no snicko, no hot spot, no ball tracker. I'd give that decision to the 3rd umpire, still an umpire but not the on field one.
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So, changes for Sydney?
Boult is obviously out. I'd imagine Matt Henry will come in for him.
I saw Nathan Lyon on TV suggesting that the Australians thought Santner would play in Sydney where the pitch might help him more but to hell with that. Somerville or Astle to come in for Santner.
I'm also wondering whether CdG is expendable given that he's averaged 19 with the bat and 41 with the ball - and whether we play five specialist bowlers, give the workload Wagner and Southee have carried. That would let us play three seamers and two spinners (or even four and one). Weakens the batting a bit, but if the top order fails to fire, I don't think Colin is a great bet to succeed either - not against this attack.
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@Chris-B said in Cricket: NZ vs Aus:
I saw Nathan Lyon on TV suggesting that the Australians thought Santner would play in Sydney where the pitch might help him more but to hell with that. Somerville or Astle to come in for Santner.
Is the pitch expected to be a traditional SCG spin friendly wicket? Both sides might opt for two spinners.
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@Duluth said in Cricket: NZ vs Aus:
That might save Santner and puts CDG under threat
We don't have Boult so can add a spinner in his place anyway. CDG could stay.
Leaves the pace "attack" being very medium pace (at best) though.
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@Snowy said in Cricket: NZ vs Aus:
More fuel to the DRS fire.
Tim Paine has has also been added to my dickheads file after I initially liked him.
Well and truly in the dickhead file
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@Chris-B said in Cricket: NZ vs Aus:
I think that even if we play two spinners it should be Astle and Somerville.
I don’t disagree. I just think the selectors are friendlier to Santner than the fans
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@Duluth Yeah - without doubt.
I like Santner, as well - but mainly in the shorter forms. He just doesn't have enough weaponry to be a test spinner - unless maybe on really spin-friendly pitches.
Which, as you suggest, the selectors may think Sydney is....
Really, they erred by not giving Astle the spinners' spot in Melbourne - we'd have learned a lot more - and Santner might have been more in my frame to play in Sydney.
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Santner is the new Guptill.... world class in ODIs but no good in tests.
That said I'd love to have Guppy batting 6 in our current test side btwn Nicholls and Watling. I feel like we're a batsmen short with our wicket keeper batting 6.
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@TeWaio said in Cricket: NZ vs Aus:
Santner is the new Guptill.... world class in ODIs but no good in tests.
That said I'd love to have Guppy batting 6 in our current test side btwn Nicholls and Watling. I feel like we're a batsmen short with our wicket keeper batting 6.
Would love to have seen more chances for Guppy in the middle order. Was never equipped to be a test opener.
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@booboo said in Cricket: NZ vs Aus:
@TeWaio said in Cricket: NZ vs Aus:
Santner is the new Guptill.... world class in ODIs but no good in tests.
That said I'd love to have Guppy batting 6 in our current test side btwn Nicholls and Watling. I feel like we're a batsmen short with our wicket keeper batting 6.
Would love to have seen more chances for Guppy in the middle order. Was never equipped to be a test opener.
100%, I think we've said this before on here but he doesn't have an openers game at all - plays with hard hands and likes to go at the wider deliveries. I see a lot of parallels between him and Astle, who was very effective for us at 5/6.
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@TeWaio said in Cricket: NZ vs Aus:
our wicket keeper batting 6.
Understand what you are saying but our wicket keeper is also one of our best bats i.e I'm not sure that we have someone to put ahead of him and still get full value from BJ.
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@Snowy South African serving his residency. Made a triple century earlier this year, which has him heading the batting averages in the Plunket Shield.
He's being talked up and has the stats to back that - as long as he doesn't suffer Graeme Hick syndrome.
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@Chris-B said in Cricket: NZ vs Aus:
@Snowy South African serving his residency. Made a triple century earlier this year, which has him heading the batting averages in the Plunket Shield.
He's being talked up and has the stats to back that - as long as he doesn't suffer Graeme Hick syndrome.
On his stats. Got it to keep in mind that South Africa have Franchise cricket as well as Provincial cricket that are both given FC status.
So his stats look better than they really are. Are mostly made in a Saf version of almost, but better, Hawke Cup. (However, this was same of Wagner who barely broke into Franchise cricket in Saf)
Can see his stats by team here:
*Edit. Although that is a bit out of date on his Wellington record. Doesn't include this season. So bz record even better.
He's had a good 2 seasons really, in NZ. In Saf he averaged 20s for his 2 franchise teams.
I haven't actually watched him yet though, apart from televised t20 games. I have no opinion on his actual promise .
I have however watched and do rate plenty of current next tier batsmen in nz. I might take an interest in Conway once he's available. Have plenty of depth and promise in our traditional weakness. Our bowling depth not so much.
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@Rapido, who are the next tier bats you rate?
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@Chris-B said in Cricket: NZ vs Aus:
@Snowy Three more tests and we'll have Devon Conway - and Will Young should be back playing by then as well!
There are also two tests in Bangladesh later this year which I don't think he will eligible for yet.
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Apparently Williamson and Nicholls missed training due to illness, so hopefully they don't miss the test.
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@LABCAT I skimmed through what I could find of our future schedule and didn't see any tests after India - but, you could well be right.
In any case, Conway becomes eligible for NZ in September...
...and hopefully we can scrape past the Bangles without him!
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@Crazy-Horse said in Cricket: NZ vs Aus:
@Rapido, who are the next tier bats you rate?
Any of Young, Seiffert, Phillips- I wouldn't bat an eyelid if they had to play a test next week. Would rate the chances of each to be 30+ ave career batsmen. Phillips with least certainty due to his less orthodox technique. Rate Ravindra to be better than all above but wouldn't be ready yet.
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@Rapido said in Cricket: NZ vs Aus:
@Crazy-Horse said in Cricket: NZ vs Aus:
@Rapido, who are the next tier bats you rate?
Any of Young, Seiffert, Phillips- I wouldn't bat an eyelid if they had to play a test next week. Would rate the chances of each to be 30+ ave career batsmen. Phillips with least certainty due to his less orthodox technique. Rate Ravindra to be better than all above but wouldn't be ready yet.
Add those above to the other under age of 30 batsmen ; Williamson, Latham, Nicholls, Blundell. Plus young Finn Allen and the new saffa Conway. I wouldn't be concerned about the next 5 years of test batting.
Reminds me of 5 or 6 years ago in the bowling department where we had mid and young 20s bowlers all coming through or reaching their peak: Southee, Boult, Wagner, Bracewell , McClenaghan, Henry, Milne, Bennett. Plus reasons to be optimistic if you followed domestics with talent like Ferguson , Wheeler and Duffy etc. In retrospect, I guess you could say Bracewell was few years into decline already by then.
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@Rapido said in Cricket: NZ vs Aus:
@Rapido said in Cricket: NZ vs Aus:
@Crazy-Horse said in Cricket: NZ vs Aus:
@Rapido, who are the next tier bats you rate?
Any of Young, Seiffert, Phillips- I wouldn't bat an eyelid if they had to play a test next week. Would rate the chances of each to be 30+ ave career batsmen. Phillips with least certainty due to his less orthodox technique. Rate Ravindra to be better than all above but wouldn't be ready yet.
Add those above to the other under age of 30 batsmen ; Williamson, Latham, Nicholls, Blundell. Plus young Finn Allen and the new saffa Conway. I wouldn't be concerned about the next 5 years of test batting.
Reminds me of 5 or 6 years ago in the bowling department where we had mid and young 20s bowlers all coming through or reaching their peak: Southee, Boult, Wagner, Bracewell , McClenaghan, Henry, Milne, Bennett. Plus reasons to be optimistic if you followed domestics with talent like Ferguson , Wheeler and Duffy etc. In retrospect, I guess you could say Bracewell was few years into decline already by then.
What about bowlers on the horizon?
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@booboo said in Cricket: NZ vs Aus:
@Rapido said in Cricket: NZ vs Aus:
@Rapido said in Cricket: NZ vs Aus:
@Crazy-Horse said in Cricket: NZ vs Aus:
@Rapido, who are the next tier bats you rate?
Any of Young, Seiffert, Phillips- I wouldn't bat an eyelid if they had to play a test next week. Would rate the chances of each to be 30+ ave career batsmen. Phillips with least certainty due to his less orthodox technique. Rate Ravindra to be better than all above but wouldn't be ready yet.
Add those above to the other under age of 30 batsmen ; Williamson, Latham, Nicholls, Blundell. Plus young Finn Allen and the new saffa Conway. I wouldn't be concerned about the next 5 years of test batting.
Reminds me of 5 or 6 years ago in the bowling department where we had mid and young 20s bowlers all coming through or reaching their peak: Southee, Boult, Wagner, Bracewell , McClenaghan, Henry, Milne, Bennett. Plus reasons to be optimistic if you followed domestics with talent like Ferguson , Wheeler and Duffy etc. In retrospect, I guess you could say Bracewell was few years into decline already by then.
What about bowlers on the horizon?
Not many.
Jamieson could work. Only uncapped player I'd have some confidence in if he had to play a test next week. But we'll have to find out if he has something to go with his height.
Ben Sears is most promising bowler out there
Of others - Duffy hasn't progressed. Collapses in his action. Nathan Smith's bowling also isnt where I'd want it to be after 4 year of senior domestics, but he is still promising , especially as his batting is quality.
That's it. Just Sears and Jamieson of players with the talent on any sort of 'curve' I'd be happy with.
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@Rapido said in Cricket: NZ vs Aus:
@booboo said in Cricket: NZ vs Aus:
@Rapido said in Cricket: NZ vs Aus:
@Rapido said in Cricket: NZ vs Aus:
@Crazy-Horse said in Cricket: NZ vs Aus:
@Rapido, who are the next tier bats you rate?
Any of Young, Seiffert, Phillips- I wouldn't bat an eyelid if they had to play a test next week. Would rate the chances of each to be 30+ ave career batsmen. Phillips with least certainty due to his less orthodox technique. Rate Ravindra to be better than all above but wouldn't be ready yet.
Add those above to the other under age of 30 batsmen ; Williamson, Latham, Nicholls, Blundell. Plus young Finn Allen and the new saffa Conway. I wouldn't be concerned about the next 5 years of test batting.
Reminds me of 5 or 6 years ago in the bowling department where we had mid and young 20s bowlers all coming through or reaching their peak: Southee, Boult, Wagner, Bracewell , McClenaghan, Henry, Milne, Bennett. Plus reasons to be optimistic if you followed domestics with talent like Ferguson , Wheeler and Duffy etc. In retrospect, I guess you could say Bracewell was few years into decline already by then.
What about bowlers on the horizon?
Not many.
Jamieson could work. Only uncapped player I'd have some confidence in if he had to play a test next week. But we'll have to find out if he has something to go with his height.
Ben Sears is most promising bowler out there
Of others - Duffy hasn't progressed. Collapses in his action. Nathan Smith's bowling also isnt where I'd want it to be after 4 year of senior domestics, but he is still promising , especially as his batting is quality.
That's it. Just Sears and Jamieson of players with the talent on any sort of 'curve' I'd be happy with.
Ludick is a prospect.
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Flu like symptoms sounds like a good excuse to me....
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Given that this pitch should be spin friendly, then surely the only prescription is to win the toss and bat!
And we'd better win the toss, Kane!
And, that's not where your job ends...
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Mitchell Santner has been ruled out with illness and is at the hotel. Kane Williamson and Henry Nicholls have both missed training with illness in the lead up. They have had a net this morning but neither look well. A call will be made at the toss
Phillips is going to debut. Sounds like 2 spinners with Astle and Sommerville.
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God this been a horrible tour. Almost comical.
About the only outcome I'm after is some entertainment relief for those in NSW affected by the fires.
Here's hoping for something good amidst the ashes ( pun sort of intended)
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9.40am Andrew McGlashan: "Santner has been ruled out, expecting Astle to play...looks like two spinners with Somerville" Gary Stead is now addressing the group as is Ross Taylor. Glenn Phillips has just been given his first Black Cap from Ross Taylor. He will debut.
Tom Latham is going to captain the team. He has just been handed his black blazer from Taylor! Williamson is out.
On cricinfo.......
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Ummm...
9.50am There is a report from the ground that New Zealand will make five changes. Todd Astle, Will Somerville, Glenn Phillips and Matt Henry come in for sure. Jeet Raval may also play. Looks like Williamson, Nicholls, Santner, Southee and Boult are out for sure.
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@Donsteppa said in Cricket: NZ vs Aus:
Ummm...
9.50am There is a report from the ground that New Zealand will make five changes. Todd Astle, Will Somerville, Glenn Phillips and Matt Henry come in for sure. Jeet Raval may also play. Looks like Williamson, Nicholls, Santner, Southee and Boult are out for sure.
pffft hahahahahaha holy fuck. So we get destroyed in the first two, and in the 3rd we roll out NZ A. Fuck-King Beautiful.
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trying to find a market for Aus to win inside 3 days
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