Mitre 10 Cup Attendance
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@shark said in Mitre 10 Cup Attendance:
In Otago vs Canterbury on the weekend - which I expected to be a bigger occasion than it was, for various reasons - Otago were 'missing' Coltman and Ben Smith while Canterbury were 'missing' Taylor, Laualala, Moody, Sam Whitelock, Scott Barrett, Todd, Read, Mo'unga, Crotty and Bridge. That game is a much bigger deal if these teams are at full strength.
We will never see that though anymore.
We can only go by what we currently have and that is an essentially AB-less NPC.
I honestly think it would be better if they had two distinct pools with promotion/relegation in both pools (I think the '3rd' div top team would be able to compete with the lower leave '2nd' div teams)
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@Hooroo said in Mitre 10 Cup Attendance:
I honestly think it would be better if they had two distinct pools with promotion/relegation in both pools (I think the '3rd' div top team would be able to compete with the lower leave '2nd' div teams)
I disagree; IMO the difference between the Championship and Heartland is way too big. Heartland teams would be hammered, even by teams like Northland and Southland. They're amateur teams, with amateur facilities and an amateur organisation (and I say that with respect).
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@Stargazer said in Mitre 10 Cup Attendance:
@Hooroo said in Mitre 10 Cup Attendance:
I honestly think it would be better if they had two distinct pools with promotion/relegation in both pools (I think the '3rd' div top team would be able to compete with the lower leave '2nd' div teams)
I disagree; IMO the difference between the Championship and Heartland is way too big. Heartland teams would be hammered, even by teams like Northland and Southland. They're amateur teams, with amateur facilities and an amateur organisation (and I say that with respect).
I think the delta between the two divs would get closer in time. In the first season, sure but in time with migration of players wanting to play in Div 1 and the release of players when teams fall into div two etc, it would eventually balance out.
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@Hooroo said in Mitre 10 Cup Attendance:
@Stargazer said in Mitre 10 Cup Attendance:
@Hooroo said in Mitre 10 Cup Attendance:
I honestly think it would be better if they had two distinct pools with promotion/relegation in both pools (I think the '3rd' div top team would be able to compete with the lower leave '2nd' div teams)
I disagree; IMO the difference between the Championship and Heartland is way too big. Heartland teams would be hammered, even by teams like Northland and Southland. They're amateur teams, with amateur facilities and an amateur organisation (and I say that with respect).
I think the delta between the two divs would get closer in time. In the first season, sure but in time with migration of players wanting to play in Div 1 and the release of players when teams fall into div two etc, it would eventually balance out.
How many Taranaki playeres moved to a Premiership team after they were relegated to the Championship in 2018? And why would they? And why would that be a good development? Premiership teams creaming the top of the Championship (or Heartland teams if they'd join the professional ranks) would be detrimental to the lower ranked teams and prevent them from moving (back) up.
At the moment, the best players - regardless of province and division - will get a shot at Super Rugby. They don't need to play for Premiership teams to get SR contracts, so there's no need to move to Premiership teams. Why would that change?
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@Hooroo said in Mitre 10 Cup Attendance:
I honestly think it would be better if they had two distinct pools with promotion/relegation in both pools (I think the '3rd' div top team would be able to compete with the lower leave '2nd' div teams)
The proposed 2008 reforms would have resolved a lot this slow rot.
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@Stargazer said in Mitre 10 Cup Attendance:
@Hooroo said in Mitre 10 Cup Attendance:
@Stargazer said in Mitre 10 Cup Attendance:
@Hooroo said in Mitre 10 Cup Attendance:
I honestly think it would be better if they had two distinct pools with promotion/relegation in both pools (I think the '3rd' div top team would be able to compete with the lower leave '2nd' div teams)
I disagree; IMO the difference between the Championship and Heartland is way too big. Heartland teams would be hammered, even by teams like Northland and Southland. They're amateur teams, with amateur facilities and an amateur organisation (and I say that with respect).
I think the delta between the two divs would get closer in time. In the first season, sure but in time with migration of players wanting to play in Div 1 and the release of players when teams fall into div two etc, it would eventually balance out.
How many Taranaki playeres moved to a Premiership team after they were relegated to the Championship in 2018? And why would they? And why would that be a good development? Premiership teams creaming the top of the Championship (or Heartland teams if they'd join the professional ranks) would be detrimental to the lower ranked teams and prevent them from moving (back) up.
At the moment, the best players - regardless of province and division - will get a shot at Super Rugby. They don't need to play for Premiership teams to get SR contracts, so there's no need to move to Premiership teams. Why would that change?
I don't know? 7? or is it a rhetorical question?
It doesn't matter what div you're in at the moment as you play against teams in both divisions but you play for two separate trophies which is such a farce of a tourney.
I honestly don't care what div Waikato are in as we still get to play Auckland which is the team we have the most rivalry with.
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There has been two attempts in the last four/five years to do away with the Premiership/Championship split and just have one competition with playoffs for the top eight.
They did not happen because the same three unions have been against it both times - Northland, Manawatu and Southland.
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@Number-10 said in Mitre 10 Cup Attendance:
There has been two attempts in the last four/five years to do away with the Premiership/Championship split and just have one competition with playoffs for the top eight.
They did not happen because the same three unions have been against it both times - Northland, Manawatu and Southland.
3 of the 4 most rubbish unions! Excellent!! Way to be hamstrung by the muppets of the comp
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@Hooroo The difference between Premiership and Championship teams just isn't big enough for a complete separation. The Magpies drew with one Premiership team, and beat 2 others. We'll probably only lose only one cross-over game. The Steamers and Otago also won two out of four.
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@Stargazer said in Mitre 10 Cup Attendance:
@Hooroo The difference between Premiership and Championship teams just isn't big enough for a complete separation. The Magpies drew with one Premiership team, and beat 2 others. We'll probably only lose only one cross-over game. The Steamers and Otago also won two out of four.
This would create a real difference and it would start to matter if your team was about to get relegated.
At the moment it is a grey splurge of a mickey mouse cross comp.
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We've talked about this quite a lot this season amoungst our season ticket group.
Essentially we have 7 season tickets in a group, most NPC games only 3 or 4 of us show up and it's bloody hard to give away the seats.
I reckon all NPC games should be held on Saturday and Sunday afternoon, I doubt it's going to make a huge difference to the numbers watching on TV if you play 2 games at the same time. Afternoon rugby is a far better schedule and better for those with young families.
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@SammyC said in Mitre 10 Cup Attendance:
We've talked about this quite a lot this season amoungst our season ticket group.
Essentially we have 7 season tickets in a group, most NPC games only 3 or 4 of us show up and it's bloody hard to give away the seats.
I reckon all NPC games should be held on Saturday and Sunday afternoon, I doubt it's going to make a huge difference to the numbers watching on TV if you play 2 games at the same time. Afternoon rugby is a far better schedule and better for those with young families.
Agreed. That would help.
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@Number-10 pretty sure the last 'attempt' to cull teams was about 10 years ago, and this was Northland, Southland, Ta$man and Counties all on the chopping block, with Northland and Ta$man looking most likely due to some arbitrary criteria that was designed for Southland to remain.
Anyone who thinks a Heartland side would get within 50 of Northland or Southland at present is deluded.
Edit: was 2008 the last time they were looking to make changes (publically at least)
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@Stargazer said in Mitre 10 Cup Attendance:
@SammyC I'd be seriously pissed off if I can't watch the away games of my team, because they aren't televised.
When did I say don't televise them?
Surely sky with it's 13 odd sports channels can show games at the same time.
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@SammyC That survey earlier in the year proposed more afternoon games and not televising all games.
I think playing and televising two or more games at the same time will reduce tv viewership as most people prefer to watch games live and are less inclined to watch recorded games or replays.
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@SammyC I'd be ok if they did like they are in the RWC, delay the live coverage...
This conversation comes up every other year, yet the solutions are not really workable in the current environment.
I actually dont mind the crossover matches, and think the current format is the best one they have had since the changes made in 2008 (or was it prior when ANZ Cup was shit too)...as I have long said, bin one of the crossover matches removes the need for storm week (although dont think they had that this year?)
