NZ v Bangladesh Test #1
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@Virgil said in NZ v Bangladesh Test #1:
@Chris-B said in NZ v Bangladesh Test #1:
@dogmeat I'd hate Wagner if he was playing for anyone else.
Heard Jeremy Coney giving a reasonable summary of our attack after the game.
Plan A - the ball swings and Boult, Southee and de Grandhomme knock over the opposition.
Plan B - Wagner bounces them out
Plan C - Our spinner buys some time until we can revert to Plan A or B.
Jerry thought the spinners we are using don't spin the ball enough to be proper attacking weapons if the pace attack fails.
And if the ball doesn't swing we only really have Wagner to fall back on. Against the top teams - and especially those used to a bit of bounce, we're a bit limited.
To be fair most bowling attacks are toothless if the ball doesn’t swing (see Broad and Anderson)
Unless you have out and out pace or can bowl a precise 4th wicket line at the right length your not going to tear through sides.
A flat pitch never favours any team. The bangles had a spinner with a decent record but he got nothing.
If it doesn’t swing spin or seam your kinda fucked.Which was pretty much where Jerry went with his conclusion - that maybe we should pick someone like Ferguson or Milne instead of de Grandhomme and that instead of a holding spinner, Santner or Astle, we should pick an attacking spinner e.g. Sodhi (though I don't think Jerry named him). But someone who is a genuine spinner as opposed to a "slow bowler".
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Astle isn't a holding spinner.
It is a golden opportunity to play Ferguson with our current bowling balance options. As either Wagner or CdG can take up that old ball workhorse role and spare him too many overs in a day. Ideally Fergusson would be in a bowling group that also includes a more defensive spinner, Santner IMO, to dry up runs, take up workload and also extend the batting (if it is CdG to miss out).
But that would probably involve resting (or dropping) either Southee or CdG.
I'd give it a go v Bangladesh. Employ some rotation. But it won't happen as Matt Henry is in the 13 man squad.
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@Rapido said in NZ v Bangladesh Test #1:
As either Wagner or CdG can take up that old ball workhorse role and spare him too many overs in a day.
Functionally Wagner is the holding spinner. He can bowl long spells, he can dry up runs, his wickets largely rely on attrition and repetitive accuracy.
It's hardly going to be Fire in Babylon but I'd pick four quicks except on the sub-continent.
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@rotated said in NZ v Bangladesh Test #1:
@Rapido said in NZ v Bangladesh Test #1:
As either Wagner or CdG can take up that old ball workhorse role and spare him too many overs in a day.
Functionally Wagner is the holding spinner. He can bowl long spells, he can dry up runs, his wickets largely rely on attrition and repetitive accuracy.
It's hardly going to be Fire in Babylon but I'd pick four quicks except on the sub-continent.
Pretty much. Kane can roll the arm over if we need it, he's as good an option for a 5 over spell to give the bowlers as breather as anyone we have.
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@Godder said in NZ v Bangladesh Test #1:
@rotated said in NZ v Bangladesh Test #1:
@Rapido said in NZ v Bangladesh Test #1:
As either Wagner or CdG can take up that old ball workhorse role and spare him too many overs in a day.
Functionally Wagner is the holding spinner. He can bowl long spells, he can dry up runs, his wickets largely rely on attrition and repetitive accuracy.
It's hardly going to be Fire in Babylon but I'd pick four quicks except on the sub-continent.
Pretty much. Kane can roll the arm over if we need it, he's as good an option for a 5 over spell to give the bowlers as breather as anyone we have.
Indeed. Not sure why the little master doesn't use himself more. He just about spun us to victory in 2012 against England...he's no mug.
Edit: just googled him for his bowling record and see his batting is a sensational 53.20.....brilliant stuff.
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@rotated said in NZ v Bangladesh Test #1:
@Rapido said in NZ v Bangladesh Test #1:
As either Wagner or CdG can take up that old ball workhorse role and spare him too many overs in a day.
Functionally Wagner is the holding spinner. He can bowl long spells, he can dry up runs, his wickets largely rely on attrition and repetitive accuracy.
It's hardly going to be Fire in Babylon but I'd pick four quicks except on the sub-continent.
I don't think Wagner can dry up runs. He has the highest RPO of any of our seamers, and almost half a run more than Santner, and well over half a run more than CDG.
He is prone to cop a hiding, but will generally pick up wickets too. His cheaper spells come when batsmen are looking to bat time and can just get out of the line or duck under him or day long, and he ceases to be a wicket taking threat.
He's definitely the workhorse of the attack though but needs someone at the other end building pressure. CDG is quite a good foil for him because he's quite tight.
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Williamson's bowling.
Pre-chucking ban: 40 matches, 29 wickets at 40.10
Since return to bowling after action remediated: 37 matches, 5 wickets at 37.40
He just doesn't bowl himself much anymore. Whether that's because he doesn't trust his action, doesn't rate his own bowling anymore, or he just has too much on his plate as captain. Or the seamers are getting the job done. I don't know. Often his specialist spinner is underbowled, let alone bowling himself.
His post chucking stats aren't bad. But they are sparse. He bowled just 7 overs in 2018, and 7 in 2017.
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@KiwiPie said in NZ v Bangladesh Test #1:
Top Batting Averages since the start of 2014 for players with over 30 tests
I read some article years ago about Smith, KW, Root and Kohli being the young future stars of batting in the coming years. eerie how accurate it is given those rankings....
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@KiwiPie said in NZ v Bangladesh Test #1:
Top Batting Averages since the start of 2014 for players with over 30 tests
Joe Root need to improve his conversion rate. Makes it to 50 a heap of times but struggles to push to 100.
Still a reasonable rate, not saying he’s Stephen Fleming.. -
@KiwiPie said in NZ v Bangladesh Test #1:
Top Batting Averages since the start of 2014 for players with over 30 tests
And in Henry Nicholls (who is just above Latham if you drop the qualifier to 20 tests) and the argument for this being our best batting line up ever looks pretty solid.
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@Cyclops said in NZ v Bangladesh Test #1:
@KiwiPie said in NZ v Bangladesh Test #1:
Top Batting Averages since the start of 2014 for players with over 30 tests
And in Henry Nicholls (who is just above Latham if you drop the qualifier to 20 tests) and the argument for this being our best batting line up ever looks pretty solid.
no argument. I thought the fern settled that around January....even more compelling with Raval getting a ton...