New Zealand rise to No. 2 in Test rankings for the first time
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@rotated said in New Zealand rise to No. 2 in Test rankings for the first time:
The FTP says we have Sri Lanka away in August. Then we have to put up the series win against England in November (short turn around, no?). Before Aussie where we can only gain points after the humiliation last time.
Strangely we do not appear to play West Indies in a test away until 2023 which cannot be right.
I can't remember the last time we played in the Windies.....
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@canefan said in [New Zealand rise to No. 2 in Test rankings for the first time]
Strangely we do not appear to play West Indies in a test away until 2023 which cannot be right.
I can't remember the last time we played in the Windies.....
They went twice in quick succession in 2012 (1-1) and 2014 (2-1 win).
2012 notable for Wagner finally being eligible and debuting.
2014 only really notable for Mark Craig taking 8-fer and being MoTM on debut. -
If NZ beat Bangladesh 2-0 in upcoming series, we stay on same point.s If we win 3-0 we gain 2 points to go to 109. Win 1-0 we lose points, you get the picture ....
India are waaaay out in front.
https://www.icc-cricket.com/rankings/mens/rankings-predictor/test -
@ACT-Crusader said in New Zealand rise to No. 2 in Test rankings for the first time:
@Nepia said in New Zealand rise to No. 2 in Test rankings for the first time:
@MN5's post just disappeared as I was reading it.
If only that happened all the time aye....
We should put a Snapchat filter on MN5's post.
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@Smudge said in New Zealand rise to No. 2 in Test rankings for the first time:
@ACT-Crusader said in New Zealand rise to No. 2 in Test rankings for the first time:
@Nepia said in New Zealand rise to No. 2 in Test rankings for the first time:
@MN5's post just disappeared as I was reading it.
If only that happened all the time aye....
We should put a Snapchat filter on MN5's post.
Did you guys know you can't screenshot a Snapchat without the sender being alerted?
no I didn't either, luckily she was a bit of a ho and didn't mind me showing pictures of her tits to the boys.
please feel free to move this to the tinder/blokes advice thread....
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This is a list of all test players with at least 1000 runs and 75 wickets in order of difference between batting and bowling average. Apparently, our third best all rounder on that stat is Oram...
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Oram was a class act in tests, could have been right up there if he wasn't constantly injured
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@No-Quarter said in New Zealand rise to No. 2 in Test rankings for the first time:
Oram was a class act in tests, could have been right up there if he wasn't constantly injured
I remember going to EP and watching Cairns and Oram each get test tons on the same day vs the jaaps iirc. Brilliant
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@Godder said in New Zealand rise to No. 2 in Test rankings for the first time:
This is a list of all test players with at least 1000 runs and 75 wickets in order of difference between batting and bowling average. Apparently, our third best all rounder on that stat is Oram...
Mate I want some of what you were on last night.
Oram doesn't even appear on the stat list you linked. Which is hardly surprising as he doesn't qualify having only taken 60 test wickets....
Hadlee and Cairns #1 and 2 are the only two Kiwi's with a positive differential Reid is next at -0.07 then Vettori. Only other Kiwis to appear are Bracewell and Dipak Patel. Three genuine allrounders one who fashioned himself into one and a couple of guys who hung around long enough to qualify.
Which is pretty much the overall makeup of the list
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@Godder said in New Zealand rise to No. 2 in Test rankings for the first time:
This is a list of all test players with at least 1000 runs and 75 wickets in order of difference between batting and bowling average. Apparently, our third best all rounder on that stat is Oram...
geez how good was G A Faulkner ?
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@MN5 pretty bloody good.
The cricinfo profile is from E.W. Swanton and shows just how much our language and society has changed in the (guessing) 90 odd years since it was first written.
"Aubrey" sounds very much the archetype Edwardian gentleman despite being a Saffa.
During the European War he served with distinction with the R.F.A. in Salonika, Egypt and Palestine, gaining the D.S.O. in 1918 and the Order of the Nile.
Afflicted by melancholia, he died tragically by his own hand.
Aubrey Faulkner Profile - Cricket Player South Africa | Stats, Records, Video
Read about Aubrey Faulkner cricket player from South Africa profile, stats, rankings, records, videos, photos at ESPNcricinfo
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@dogmeat said in New Zealand rise to No. 2 in Test rankings for the first time:
@MN5 pretty bloody good.
The cricinfo profile is from E.W. Swanton and shows just how much our language and society has changed in the (guessing) 90 odd years since it was first written.
"Aubrey" sounds very much the archetype Edwardian gentleman despite being a Saffa.
During the European War he served with distinction with the R.F.A. in Salonika, Egypt and Palestine, gaining the D.S.O. in 1918 and the Order of the Nile.
Afflicted by melancholia, he died tragically by his own hand.
Aubrey Faulkner Profile - Cricket Player South Africa | Stats, Records, Video
Read about Aubrey Faulkner cricket player from South Africa profile, stats, rankings, records, videos, photos at ESPNcricinfo
just surprised I'd never heard of him...
S Waugh was a useful bowler too. Easy to forget but this high on an all rounders list ? I never knew Hammond was decent as well. Kapil Dev well down the list for one of the greats too.
Paddles and Cairns right beside each other interestingly enough which would at casual glance suggest they're comparable which of course they're not.
Shakib Al Hassan and Jason Holder will fight it out for number one in the coming years you'd think.
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@dogmeat said in New Zealand rise to No. 2 in Test rankings for the first time:
@Godder said in New Zealand rise to No. 2 in Test rankings for the first time:
This is a list of all test players with at least 1000 runs and 75 wickets in order of difference between batting and bowling average. Apparently, our third best all rounder on that stat is Oram...
Mate I want some of what you were on last night.
Oram doesn't even appear on the stat list you linked. Which is hardly surprising as he doesn't qualify having only taken 60 test wickets....
Hadlee and Cairns #1 and 2 are the only two Kiwi's with a positive differential Reid is next at -0.07 then Vettori. Only other Kiwis to appear are Bracewell and Dipak Patel. Three genuine allrounders one who fashioned himself into one and a couple of guys who hung around long enough to qualify.
Which is pretty much the overall makeup of the list
Whoops, was looking at multiple lists along the same lines but changing the parameters, and Oram was on the NZ list I originally started with. If the wickets are low enough (without being >0), Kane has our biggest differential.
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@MN5 said in New Zealand rise to No. 2 in Test rankings for the first time:
@dogmeat said in New Zealand rise to No. 2 in Test rankings for the first time:
@MN5 pretty bloody good.
S Waugh was a useful bowler too. Easy to forget but this high on an all rounders list ?
Steve Waugh perhaps has the position that maybe Ian Botham could have had.
First half of Steve's career he bowled a lot and a handy but not brilliant batsman. I'd imagine only a few runs between his batting and bowling averages for much of that time.
Second half he was very much a part time bowler and became a batting rock. Accelerated his batting average, without damaging his bowling average.
Sobers is further ahead of Kallis than this looks. I'd love to see Sobers bowling averages based on whether he was bowling fast medium or spin - and for when he was bowling LA orthodox or wrist spin.
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Yeah the averages difference measure favours the guys who were average bowlers but all time great batsmen. Compare Kallis or Waugh with Hadlee. I'd say Hadlee was at least as good a bowler, if not better than those two were batsmen, and likewise I think he'd offer about as much with the bat as those two with the ball. Yet he's barely breaking even and they're plus 30 almost.
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@Cyclops said in New Zealand rise to No. 2 in Test rankings for the first time:
Yeah the averages difference measure favours the guys who were average bowlers but all time great batsmen. Compare Kallis or Waugh with Hadlee. I'd say Hadlee was at least as good a bowler, if not better than those two were batsmen, and likewise I think he'd offer about as much with the bat as those two with the ball. Yet he's barely breaking even and they're plus 30 almost.
This measure hugely favours batsmen who did ok as bowlers then gave up or only chipped in when it suited. No way do Hammond and S Waugh deserve to be there, they're legends based on their batting alone, not as all rounders.
Have a look at Stephen Fleming's efforts as a test bowler ( not one over in 111 tests ) Probably about as good as Chris Martin was at batting but the difference being Martin HAD to bat quite often. No option to opt out cos he was shit.....
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IMO number 2 in the test rankings means less than nothing . I am a big fan of the saying "to be the best you have to beat the best " and until we can play and actually win against India , Australia , South Africa and even England we are always going to be just an average team who gets put in our place every time we play one of the top teams .
As for all rounders , that table should be renamed Batting All Rounders , as the comparisons are so biased towards batsmen who bowled a bit . -
@Cactus-Jack absolutely disagree with that. India are ahead of the pack right now but we are right up there with SA, Aus and England. SA lost to bloody Sri Lanka at home, which is not a result we would stomach right now, and England are full of ODI and T20 specialists. We just don't get the chance to play those teams enough.
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@No-Quarter you mean England who lost to WI and Soith Africa who lost to Srilanka....
