Black Caps v India
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@westcoastie Southee is much better bowler than CDG. CDG a better bat. Neesham showed today why his bowling can’t be relied on. He was awful bowling both sides of wicket. We had them on the ropes and that 10 over period after the front liners led to a competitive total being set.
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@kev said in Black Caps v India:
@westcoastie Southee is much better bowler than CDG. CDG a better bat. Neesham showed today why his bowling can’t be relied on. He was awful bowling both sides of wicket. We had them on the ropes and that 10 over period after the front liners led to a competitive total being set.
Since 2016:
Tim Southee (bowling) 39 innings, 44 wickets, 43.6ave, 5.57rr, 46.9 s/r
CDG (bowling) 24 innings, 16 wickets, 47.6ave, 5.08rr, 56.2 s/rTim Southee (batting) 30 innings, 15.8 ave, 103sr, 55* hs, 3x ducks
CDG (batting) 18 innings, 27.6 ave, 104sr, 74* hs, 1 x duckCDG a better batter by 12 runs per bat, bowling, remarkably similar.
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@westcoastie Southee has done a lot more bowling at death. Stats miss a lot of things.
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@westcoastie fair point, he is struggling at the moment and won’t gain pace. But issue is the others are not demonstrably better. Rather have him as my change bowler than others - especially for England. Today was a great day for seamers. Hard to say that apart from Boult and Henry (who I like and just needs some games) the others were up to scratch. 2 out of 5 bowlers.
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@kev said in Black Caps v India:
@westcoastie fair point, he is struggling at the moment and won’t gain pace. But issue is the others are not demonstrably better. Rather have him as my change bowler than others - especially for England. Today was a great day for seamers. Hard to say that apart from Boult and Henry (who I like and just needs some games) the others were up to scratch. 2 out of 5 bowlers.
Yeh Henry bowled well today, and I'd imagine he'll go well in England. Has to be one of Milne or Fergusson. And Fergie seems less likely to break.
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@Chris-B said in Black Caps v India:
@westcoastie said in Black Caps v India:
@kev we should have no more than two. Probably one who is there mostly on batting merits maybe - the other on bowling. So probably all of Munro, CDG, Neesham, Santner (Anderson, possibly Astle who is listed as a Batsman on Cricinfo wtf?)- we should pick only two of these.
More specialists plzI don't think we can look at it quite like that.
I reckon Santner is our best spinner (top two minimum) who happens to be able to hold a bat.
Munro is an opening batsman who can roll his arm over in a crisis.
Neesham is our best option to bat 6, who is also a useful bowler (if he could bowl a more consistent line!).
de Grandhomme is probably a genuine allrounder, but in a "half-baked" way - in that he's not good enough in either discipline to command a place, but together his batting and bowling make him useful to bat at 7 and share 10 overs with Neesham.
Santner did fuck all today yet Munro bowled 10? What's all that about ?
I'm actually not having a go at Mitch I'm genuinely asking.
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First ball and Munro already giving me the shits.
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@Crazy-Horse said in Black Caps v India:
First ball and Munro already giving me the shits.
Yep I saw that mishit and thought of all the hating ferners.
We bat very deep today although Santner ahead of CDGH is taking the piss surely. They should be 7 and 8 respectively.
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@kev said in Black Caps v India:
@westcoastie Southee is much better bowler than CDG. CDG a better bat. Neesham showed today why his bowling can’t be relied on. He was awful bowling both sides of wicket. We had them on the ropes and that 10 over period after the front liners led to a competitive total being set.
How can Neesham - and in fact most of our bowlers - not be able to at least hit one side of the pitch? All the old bowling textbooks used to talk about landing the ball on a hankerchief!
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@Chris-B said in Black Caps v India:
@kev said in Black Caps v India:
@westcoastie Southee is much better bowler than CDG. CDG a better bat. Neesham showed today why his bowling can’t be relied on. He was awful bowling both sides of wicket. We had them on the ropes and that 10 over period after the front liners led to a competitive total being set.
How can Neesham - and in fact most of our bowlers - not be able to at least hit one side of the pitch? All the old bowling textbooks used to talk about landing the ball on a hankerchief!
Not many people carry hankies these days
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@kev said in Black Caps v India:
@westcoastie Southee has done a lot more bowling at death. Stats miss a lot of things.
If he gets to bowl at the death, that should boost his average as teams are trying to slog at that point.
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@westcoastie said in Black Caps v India:
Munro was actually a mid-order batsman until a couple years ago. Munro-Guptill doesn't work.
Our spin options - wow - not sure whos where. I don't think Santner is a wicket taker, but hes great at containing. Sodhi doesn't build pressure for long enough, but might pick up the wickets. Haven't seen enough of Astle. Should've given Ajaz a go.
I think Neesham would be in our best XI. CDG and Southee are pretty much like for like. Similar pace, similar batting.
We have a few gaps in our squad don't we...
Not really any place for Munro in the middle order these days.
With Ajaz - I'm not a fan of "giving people a go". That's not selecting. That's what Sir Paddles seemed to do when he was a selector - trying to pull rabbits out of a hat - and he pulled out plenty (of rabbits), while destroying his best marginal players' confidence by repeatedly dropping and recalling them.
I'm almost inclined to tell selectors that they've got 25 player selections (in any form) and then their selecting career is over.
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