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I follow Wisden on FB for better or worse ( their fapping over English players is pretty tough to read ) but shit James Anderson has had a bloody impressive career. 19 years of test cricket is exceptional and he’s genuinely getting better and better as opposed to fading away.
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@nzzp said in Other Cricket:
@mn5 said in Other Cricket:
Jeepers, look at what England have just done to India…..bowled them out for 78 and replied with 120-0 !!!! Is someone taking the piss ?
The glory of test cricket is waking up and having no idea how days will go. Well done England, going to a decider by teh look (barring a superhuman batting effort).
Mind you, India got rolled for 40-something in Aus, and then went on to win the series. Mental scars don't seem to exist these days
Unless we’re playing Australia in Australia
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@mn5 said in Other Cricket:
Unless we’re playing Australia in Australia
In Test 1, though, we were bloody good for a long time. They were just slightly better - and got the luck. A few of the edges that Smith popped up off Wagner go to hand on another day. After that, we got cooked, and didn't recover.
The mental failures were more in the coaches than the players at the start. Debuting Ferguson was crazy after not giving him a run in Hamilton a few weeks before. But then we did fall in a heap... so scarring or mental collapse unfortunately.
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@nzzp said in Other Cricket:
@mn5 said in Other Cricket:
Unless we’re playing Australia in Australia
In Test 1, though, we were bloody good for a long time. They were just slightly better - and got the luck. A few of the edges that Smith popped up off Wagner go to hand on another day. After that, we got cooked, and didn't recover.
The mental failures were more in the coaches than the players at the start. Debuting Ferguson was crazy after not giving him a run in Hamilton a few weeks before. But then we did fall in a heap... so scarring or mental collapse unfortunately.
The whole tour was a blot on the copybook, but we’re world champs so fuck it. I can live with a team not being perfect.
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@mn5 said in Other Cricket:
I follow Wisden on FB for better or worse ( their fapping over English players is pretty tough to read ) but shit James Anderson has had a bloody impressive career. 19 years of test cricket is exceptional and he’s genuinely getting better and better as opposed to fading away.
i remember when James Anderson was average, and only seemed to take wickets against us
And then he got a lot, lot better. If you were teaching kids to be a swing bowler, his action, seam position, and ball release are pretty much all you need.
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@mariner4life said in Other Cricket:
@mn5 said in Other Cricket:
I follow Wisden on FB for better or worse ( their fapping over English players is pretty tough to read ) but shit James Anderson has had a bloody impressive career. 19 years of test cricket is exceptional and he’s genuinely getting better and better as opposed to fading away.
i remember when James Anderson was average, and only seemed to take wickets against us
And then he got a lot, lot better. If you were teaching kids to be a swing bowler, his action, seam position, and ball release are pretty much all you need.
The improvement is almost Hadlee like ( I mean Anderson is very good but Hadlee is an all time legend )
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@mn5 said in Other Cricket:
@mariner4life said in Other Cricket:
@mn5 said in Other Cricket:
I follow Wisden on FB for better or worse ( their fapping over English players is pretty tough to read ) but shit James Anderson has had a bloody impressive career. 19 years of test cricket is exceptional and he’s genuinely getting better and better as opposed to fading away.
i remember when James Anderson was average, and only seemed to take wickets against us
And then he got a lot, lot better. If you were teaching kids to be a swing bowler, his action, seam position, and ball release are pretty much all you need.
The improvement is almost Hadlee like ( I mean Anderson is very good but Hadlee is an all time legend )
I would have to put Anderson in the All time legend status too now.
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@hooroo said in Other Cricket:
@mn5 said in Other Cricket:
@mariner4life said in Other Cricket:
@mn5 said in Other Cricket:
I follow Wisden on FB for better or worse ( their fapping over English players is pretty tough to read ) but shit James Anderson has had a bloody impressive career. 19 years of test cricket is exceptional and he’s genuinely getting better and better as opposed to fading away.
i remember when James Anderson was average, and only seemed to take wickets against us
And then he got a lot, lot better. If you were teaching kids to be a swing bowler, his action, seam position, and ball release are pretty much all you need.
The improvement is almost Hadlee like ( I mean Anderson is very good but Hadlee is an all time legend )
I would have to put Anderson in the All time legend status too now.
600+ wickets yes. Average of 26.5 is pretty high. His record isn't that much different to Tim Southee's, he's just played twice the number of tests
Compared to the real modern-day ATG of his era, his average is like 5 runs higher.
I would still have him as the best England player i can really remember.
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@mariner4life said in Other Cricket:
@hooroo said in Other Cricket:
@mn5 said in Other Cricket:
@mariner4life said in Other Cricket:
@mn5 said in Other Cricket:
I follow Wisden on FB for better or worse ( their fapping over English players is pretty tough to read ) but shit James Anderson has had a bloody impressive career. 19 years of test cricket is exceptional and he’s genuinely getting better and better as opposed to fading away.
i remember when James Anderson was average, and only seemed to take wickets against us
And then he got a lot, lot better. If you were teaching kids to be a swing bowler, his action, seam position, and ball release are pretty much all you need.
The improvement is almost Hadlee like ( I mean Anderson is very good but Hadlee is an all time legend )
I would have to put Anderson in the All time legend status too now.
600+ wickets yes. Average of 26.5 is pretty high. His record isn't that much different to Tim Southee's, he's just played twice the number of tests
Compared to the real modern-day ATG of his era, his average is like 5 runs higher.
I would still have him as the best England player i can really remember.
I think sub 25 puts you in the ATG category ( this is not always an exact measure of course ) but Anderson did play a lot when batting averages were higher than previous eras.
I wouldn’t rate Anderson as high as a guy like Dale Steyn….comparisons to Southee and Boult are pretty fair though.
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@bovidae said in Other Cricket:
It would be interesting to see a comparison for the most test wickets once a player reached 30. Anderson would be right up there I think, as he has had a very long career (albeit with some injuries).
In terms of performance Paddles would be one of the absolute best. Bear in mind he was 34 when he took 15 in the match vs Oz !!!!!
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@mn5 said in Other Cricket:
@bovidae said in Other Cricket:
It would be interesting to see a comparison for the most test wickets once a player reached 30. Anderson would be right up there I think, as he has had a very long career (albeit with some injuries).
In terms of performance Paddles would be one of the absolute best. Bear in mind he was 34 when he took 15 in the match vs Oz !!!!!
That is the comparison I was thinking about.
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@bovidae said in Other Cricket:
@mn5 said in Other Cricket:
@bovidae said in Other Cricket:
It would be interesting to see a comparison for the most test wickets once a player reached 30. Anderson would be right up there I think, as he has had a very long career (albeit with some injuries).
In terms of performance Paddles would be one of the absolute best. Bear in mind he was 34 when he took 15 in the match vs Oz !!!!!
That is the comparison I was thinking about.
Indeed, I think Hadlee damaged his stats ( shit, if you can say that about a bloke who averaged 22 per test wicket ) early on in his career by being a bit loose and inaccurate.
Once he shortened the run up he became THE absolute ATG of the 80s, pretty incredible when you think how many fast bowlers break down at that age.
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Anderson has played more tests in his 30s than nearly any NZer will play in their entire career
Also, my all time attack of Paddles, McGrath and my boy Curtly are all gonna play in that team until their retirement. Look at their fucking records!
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@mariner4life said in Other Cricket:
Anderson has played more tests in his 30s than nearly any NZer will play in their entire career
Also, my all time attack of Paddles, McGrath and my boy Curtly are all gonna play in that team until their retirement. Look at their fucking records!
Surprised to see the name Malcolm Marshall not being there but Wikipedia tells me he played his last test at 33.
Despite periods of being quite a shit team England are ALWAYS gonna have the luxury of five test series which we never get so not surprised in the slightest their guys play a shitload more than ours.
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The similarity with Hadlee and Anderson is how much they improved after the age of 30. (truth is probably late 20s). They shave 8 and 7 runs off their bowling averavges respectively after that age.
This is Hadlee's record up until the age of the 30:
And this is Anderson's:
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@rapido said in Other Cricket:
The similarity with Hadlee and Anderson is how much they improved after the age of 30. (truth is probably late 20s). They shave 8 and 7 runs off their bowling averavges respectively after that age.
This is Hadlee's record up until the age of the 30:
And this is Anderson's:
Paddles was already pretty damn good but the way he took it to next level is inspirational. From reading his book it was his 10 seasons in England county cricket that completely transformed him.
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Top 15 New Zealand cricketers from 1980-2021:
- Richard Hadlee .- Hadlee's record from 1980 until retirement in 1991 was 324 wickets at the brilliant average of 19.70. His record in Australia was phenomenal taking 70 wickets at 15.97 in that time period. He also averaged 14.00 with the ball in India.
- Martin Crowe - A talented and beautiful stroke maker he made 17 centuries for the Kiwis, the third most for hundreds made for NZ. An absolute stand out in the 80s for NZ he averaged over 60 in test cricket in 1986, 1987 and 1989.
- Kane Williamson - With an outstanding test average of 53.95 he is New Zealand's best batsman by averages by some way. New Zealand's second greatest run scorer of all tiime. Has gotten better with age, since 2015 he has averaged 65.31 in test cricket.
- Brendon McCullum - His strike rate of 96.37 is the best for a New Zealand batsman out of their top 30 run scorers in one day internationals. He made 12 centuries in 101 tests including the fastest test century of all time in 54 balls.
- Daniel Vettori - New Zealand's most capped test match player ever with 112 caps. He is their second highest wicket taker with 362 wickets. Turned himself into a handy lower order bat making 6 centuries at the handy test average of 30.00
- Ross Taylor - New Zealand's highest ever run scorer in a career that has spanned 14 years. Taylor also leads the way for New Zealand with most one day runs in their history at the excellent average of 48.20. He has their most ever one day centuries with 24.
- Chris Cairns - Took over 200 wickets in both tests and One Day matches. His best bowling figures coming in a test match win against the West Indies where he took 7/27 with the ball. A match winner with the bat in One Day Cricket.
- BJ. Watling - New Zealand's greatest ever keeper he has taken 265 dismissals which ranks him 9th on the all time list. He has made a test double ton and has a handy average of 37.52 with the bat.
- Shane Bond - One of the great hard luck stories that he missed so much cricket due to injury. However in the 18 tests he played he took 87 wickets at 22.09. Unplayable on his day his 147 wickets at 20.88 in One Day cricket is also excellent.
- Trent Boult - Fourth on the all time list of most wickets for NZ in test cricket and 7th for one day cricket. He is the only Kiwi to have taken two one day hatricks.
- Stephen Fleming - With 80 tests as captain he is easily New Zealand's longest serving captain. Won more than he lost. Sits in third place for most runs for New Zealand in test cricket. Has a highest test score of 274*.
- John Wright - An automatic selection for New Zealand in the 1980s Wright scored 12 centuries for his country. He excelled against India where he averaged 61.84
- Adam Parore - Ranks at 18th for most dismissals in test cricket and 2nd for New Zealand. A talented batsman Parore made two test tons.
- Andrew Jones - A solid number 3 bat for NZ in the 80s and early 90s Jones averaged 44.27 in test cricket, making 7 test tons.
- Tim Southee - Sits in third place for most wickets for New Zealand with 314 test wickets. Averages under 30 with the ball both home and away.
So I found the above on some rather interesting looking Indian site that popped up on my FB feed.
KW should be ahead of Crowe.
McCullum is ranked WAY too high.
Parore stands out like dogs balls and shouldn’t be there at all ( I’d put Wagner or Latham in or possibly Astle if you take his ODI record into consideration )
No glaring omissions I don’t think, did I miss anything ?
