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@kiwipie said in Other Cricket:
@donsteppa said in Other Cricket:
My gripe with the Hundred is similar to @KiwiPie’s - rather than fix the horrendously slow over rate deterioration of T20’s and improve the graphics, they’ve created yet another format.
Fast forward a decade and the eventual return of bowler/captain conferences after every delivery and we’ll need to introduce the Fifty.
Exactly - it is the new format that irks me - they could have applied all the hype and just kept it as T-20 by getting the teams to speed up. Getting it onto free to air was the key, and that has to be a good thing for whichever format you promote
The thing is though, is that it's the basic maths and ease to understand what was going in that my son loved it.
35 off 53 balls with 4 our easy to understand
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@majorrage said in Other Cricket:
120/4 chasing 155 with 8.9 overs to go. Not so much.
Most decent cricket coverage usually converts it into '35 off 53 deliveries' in ODI's and T20's. Can't recall the specifics, but rule of thumb seems to be to shift from overs to deliveries when there's fewer than 100 deliveries left for ODI's, and probably all innings in the T20's.
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@donsteppa said in Other Cricket:
@majorrage said in Other Cricket:
120/4 chasing 155 with 8.9 overs to go. Not so much.
Most decent cricket coverage usually converts it into '35 off 53 deliveries' in ODI's and T20's. Can't recall the specifics, but rule of thumb seems to be to shift from overs to deliveries when there's fewer than 100 deliveries left for ODI's, and probably all innings in the T20's.
Yeah, but style of the Hundred is that those basic stats are on the screen the entire time, with the key ones in the biggest fonts.
It's basically just 20/20 style cricket to me, which is enjoyable but not the real thing. But as I said, my son absolutely loved it and knew what was going on the whole time.
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@mn5 said in Other Cricket:
Jeepers, look at what England have just done to India…..bowled them out for 78 and replied with 120-0 !!!! Is someone taking the piss ?
The glory of test cricket is waking up and having no idea how days will go. Well done England, going to a decider by teh look (barring a superhuman batting effort).
Mind you, India got rolled for 40-something in Aus, and then went on to win the series. Mental scars don't seem to exist these days
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I follow Wisden on FB for better or worse ( their fapping over English players is pretty tough to read ) but shit James Anderson has had a bloody impressive career. 19 years of test cricket is exceptional and he’s genuinely getting better and better as opposed to fading away.
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@nzzp said in Other Cricket:
@mn5 said in Other Cricket:
Jeepers, look at what England have just done to India…..bowled them out for 78 and replied with 120-0 !!!! Is someone taking the piss ?
The glory of test cricket is waking up and having no idea how days will go. Well done England, going to a decider by teh look (barring a superhuman batting effort).
Mind you, India got rolled for 40-something in Aus, and then went on to win the series. Mental scars don't seem to exist these days
Unless we’re playing Australia in Australia
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@mn5 said in Other Cricket:
Unless we’re playing Australia in Australia
In Test 1, though, we were bloody good for a long time. They were just slightly better - and got the luck. A few of the edges that Smith popped up off Wagner go to hand on another day. After that, we got cooked, and didn't recover.
The mental failures were more in the coaches than the players at the start. Debuting Ferguson was crazy after not giving him a run in Hamilton a few weeks before. But then we did fall in a heap... so scarring or mental collapse unfortunately.
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@nzzp said in Other Cricket:
@mn5 said in Other Cricket:
Unless we’re playing Australia in Australia
In Test 1, though, we were bloody good for a long time. They were just slightly better - and got the luck. A few of the edges that Smith popped up off Wagner go to hand on another day. After that, we got cooked, and didn't recover.
The mental failures were more in the coaches than the players at the start. Debuting Ferguson was crazy after not giving him a run in Hamilton a few weeks before. But then we did fall in a heap... so scarring or mental collapse unfortunately.
The whole tour was a blot on the copybook, but we’re world champs so fuck it. I can live with a team not being perfect.
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@mn5 said in Other Cricket:
I follow Wisden on FB for better or worse ( their fapping over English players is pretty tough to read ) but shit James Anderson has had a bloody impressive career. 19 years of test cricket is exceptional and he’s genuinely getting better and better as opposed to fading away.
i remember when James Anderson was average, and only seemed to take wickets against us
And then he got a lot, lot better. If you were teaching kids to be a swing bowler, his action, seam position, and ball release are pretty much all you need.
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@mariner4life said in Other Cricket:
@mn5 said in Other Cricket:
I follow Wisden on FB for better or worse ( their fapping over English players is pretty tough to read ) but shit James Anderson has had a bloody impressive career. 19 years of test cricket is exceptional and he’s genuinely getting better and better as opposed to fading away.
i remember when James Anderson was average, and only seemed to take wickets against us
And then he got a lot, lot better. If you were teaching kids to be a swing bowler, his action, seam position, and ball release are pretty much all you need.
The improvement is almost Hadlee like ( I mean Anderson is very good but Hadlee is an all time legend )
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@mn5 said in Other Cricket:
@mariner4life said in Other Cricket:
@mn5 said in Other Cricket:
I follow Wisden on FB for better or worse ( their fapping over English players is pretty tough to read ) but shit James Anderson has had a bloody impressive career. 19 years of test cricket is exceptional and he’s genuinely getting better and better as opposed to fading away.
i remember when James Anderson was average, and only seemed to take wickets against us
And then he got a lot, lot better. If you were teaching kids to be a swing bowler, his action, seam position, and ball release are pretty much all you need.
The improvement is almost Hadlee like ( I mean Anderson is very good but Hadlee is an all time legend )
I would have to put Anderson in the All time legend status too now.
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@hooroo said in Other Cricket:
@mn5 said in Other Cricket:
@mariner4life said in Other Cricket:
@mn5 said in Other Cricket:
I follow Wisden on FB for better or worse ( their fapping over English players is pretty tough to read ) but shit James Anderson has had a bloody impressive career. 19 years of test cricket is exceptional and he’s genuinely getting better and better as opposed to fading away.
i remember when James Anderson was average, and only seemed to take wickets against us
And then he got a lot, lot better. If you were teaching kids to be a swing bowler, his action, seam position, and ball release are pretty much all you need.
The improvement is almost Hadlee like ( I mean Anderson is very good but Hadlee is an all time legend )
I would have to put Anderson in the All time legend status too now.
600+ wickets yes. Average of 26.5 is pretty high. His record isn't that much different to Tim Southee's, he's just played twice the number of tests
Compared to the real modern-day ATG of his era, his average is like 5 runs higher.
I would still have him as the best England player i can really remember.
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@mariner4life said in Other Cricket:
@hooroo said in Other Cricket:
@mn5 said in Other Cricket:
@mariner4life said in Other Cricket:
@mn5 said in Other Cricket:
I follow Wisden on FB for better or worse ( their fapping over English players is pretty tough to read ) but shit James Anderson has had a bloody impressive career. 19 years of test cricket is exceptional and he’s genuinely getting better and better as opposed to fading away.
i remember when James Anderson was average, and only seemed to take wickets against us
And then he got a lot, lot better. If you were teaching kids to be a swing bowler, his action, seam position, and ball release are pretty much all you need.
The improvement is almost Hadlee like ( I mean Anderson is very good but Hadlee is an all time legend )
I would have to put Anderson in the All time legend status too now.
600+ wickets yes. Average of 26.5 is pretty high. His record isn't that much different to Tim Southee's, he's just played twice the number of tests
Compared to the real modern-day ATG of his era, his average is like 5 runs higher.
I would still have him as the best England player i can really remember.
I think sub 25 puts you in the ATG category ( this is not always an exact measure of course ) but Anderson did play a lot when batting averages were higher than previous eras.
I wouldn’t rate Anderson as high as a guy like Dale Steyn….comparisons to Southee and Boult are pretty fair though.
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@bovidae said in Other Cricket:
It would be interesting to see a comparison for the most test wickets once a player reached 30. Anderson would be right up there I think, as he has had a very long career (albeit with some injuries).
In terms of performance Paddles would be one of the absolute best. Bear in mind he was 34 when he took 15 in the match vs Oz !!!!!
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@mn5 said in Other Cricket:
@bovidae said in Other Cricket:
It would be interesting to see a comparison for the most test wickets once a player reached 30. Anderson would be right up there I think, as he has had a very long career (albeit with some injuries).
In terms of performance Paddles would be one of the absolute best. Bear in mind he was 34 when he took 15 in the match vs Oz !!!!!
That is the comparison I was thinking about.
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@bovidae said in Other Cricket:
@mn5 said in Other Cricket:
@bovidae said in Other Cricket:
It would be interesting to see a comparison for the most test wickets once a player reached 30. Anderson would be right up there I think, as he has had a very long career (albeit with some injuries).
In terms of performance Paddles would be one of the absolute best. Bear in mind he was 34 when he took 15 in the match vs Oz !!!!!
That is the comparison I was thinking about.
Indeed, I think Hadlee damaged his stats ( shit, if you can say that about a bloke who averaged 22 per test wicket ) early on in his career by being a bit loose and inaccurate.
Once he shortened the run up he became THE absolute ATG of the 80s, pretty incredible when you think how many fast bowlers break down at that age.
