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@Snowy said in Other Cricket:
@MN5 said in Other Cricket:
Will be interesting to see if KW usurps Paddles as our GOAT when he retires. He still has some work to do.
What would that take? An average of 55? Maybe 60?
Net entirely sure. The latter would probably be a bridge too far but finishing in 5-6 years time with a test batting average of 55 is definitely doable. It should be noted that recent greats like Tendulkar, Ponting and Lara saw their stats dip a bit in their twilight years though.
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@MN5 said in Other Cricket:
@Snowy said in Other Cricket:
@MN5 said in Other Cricket:
Will be interesting to see if KW usurps Paddles as our GOAT when he retires. He still has some work to do.
What would that take? An average of 55? Maybe 60?
Net entirely sure. The latter would probably be a bridge too far but finishing in 5-6 years time with a test batting average of 55 is definitely doable. It should be noted that recent greats like Tendulkar, Ponting and Lara saw their stats dip a bit in their twilight years though.
High 50s puts him with Sanga, Sobers, Hammond but still 10 ahead of that (I don't count a few - careers too short. Voges Bus change for example).
Paddles has heaps ahead of him, average wise, but most of them are ancient history, played fuck all tests too. The first 8 were all pre first world war.
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I don't think it is simply his final average that will define KW's career. He probably needs to make a defining set of big scores in Australia, South Africa, England or India to be honest. His average there is 41.11 (9 tests), 21.16 (4), 30.87 (4), 35.46 (7) respectively.
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@KiwiPie said in Other Cricket:
I don't think it is simply his final average that will define KW's career. He probably needs to make a defining set of big scores in Australia, South Africa, England or India to be honest. His average there is 41.11 (9 tests), 21.16 (4), 30.87 (4), 35.46 (7) respectively.
Good point but I’d say most genuine greats have teams they struggle against, relatively speaking.
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@MN5 said in Other Cricket:
Hmmmmmm, at a guess my top ten fast bowlers in no particular order would comprise Paddles, Imran, Waqar, Wasim, Curtly, Marshall, Garner, Donald, Steyn, McGrath.
I have to make room for Michael Holding, who is my all time favourite bowler.
Probably at the expense of Alan Donald in your list.
I happened to be dining with Hashan Tillekaratne after the Sri Lankans beat the South Africans in Wellington at the 1992 CWC and asked him how they'd found Donald (SA only recently back from isolation). He said, "Not too bad. They'd recently been playing Pakistan and Waqar and Wasim were a yard faster". Take that, those who lunch with Joe Moody et al!
Syd Barnes apparently one of the greatest ever - but, behind Bondy and Rabada on Strike Rate!
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@Chris-B said in Other Cricket:
I have to make room for Michael Holding, who is my all time favourite bowler.
Yep. Any bowler with the nickname "whispering death" has to be in there.
Jegs had breakfast with Joe Moody, Jerome Kaino, Liam Squire, and Damian Mc Kenzie, not lunch. Don't know why I remember that. It's almost like it was repeated ad nauseum.
You are doing O.K. with the name dropping though. George Bennet the other day, now Tillekaratne albeit 1992.
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@Chris-B said in Other Cricket:
I happened to be dining with Hashan Tillekaratne after the Sri Lankans beat the South Africans in Wellington at the 1992 CWC
You were having dinner with him or stalked his table and accosted him when he went to the loo?
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@Chris-B I certainly like all I have heard about Holding but I just didn’t see him play much, only highlights. I remember Garner and Marshall when they came here in 87 but Holding had retired by then I think ?
Of course his commentary being as smooth as a Nice glass of Jamaican rum helps his aura too !
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@MN5 said in Other Cricket:
@Chris-B I certainly like all I have heard about Holding but I just didn’t see him play much, only highlights. I remember Garner and Marshall when they came here in 87 but Holding had retired by then I think ?
1987 in NZ was Holding's last test series. He played in the 1st test only.
A couple of mates and I wagged school for the day to watch WI play a warmup game at Seddon Park. Richards and Marshall weren't playing and sat on the embarkment with us to have a chat. I remember getting them to sign my exercise book.
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@Bovidae said in Other Cricket:
@MN5 said in Other Cricket:
@Chris-B I certainly like all I have heard about Holding but I just didn’t see him play much, only highlights. I remember Garner and Marshall when they came here in 87 but Holding had retired by then I think ?
1987 in NZ was Holding's last test series. He played in the 1st test only.
A couple of mates and I wagged school for the day to watch WI play a warmup game at Seddon Park. Richards and Marshall weren't playing and sat on the embarkment with us to have a chat. I remember getting them to sign my exercise book.
Outstanding, yarning with those two legends ( and they both absolutely were ) beats breakfast with Liam Squire, Joe Moody, Jerome Kaino and Damian McKenzie that's for sure.
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@KiwiPie said in Other Cricket:
@Chris-B said in Other Cricket:
I happened to be dining with Hashan Tillekaratne after the Sri Lankans beat the South Africans in Wellington at the 1992 CWC
You were having dinner with him or stalked his table and accosted him when he went to the loo?
A guy I worked with happened to be big in the NZ-Sri Lanka Friendship Society (or some-such) so I wangled an invite to their dinner. Hashan got assigned to our table.
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My Gramps loaned me Feddie Trueman’s book when I was maybe about 13-14. I was quite big on sports biographies there for a while. We’d go round to Nan & Gramps’ over summer and I’d sit there watching what ever cricket was on with him, while Mum and Nan drank far too many cups of tea. He’d tell me stories of how he’d listen to the cricket on the wireless when England were out here and what an amazing bowler Trueman was.
Can’t remember a lot of the detail from the book, but I do remember thinking gee, this guy was some bowler!
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Cricket books are great. I had a flick through Paddles book at the folks, it has been sitting on their shelf for fuck knows how long. Quite amusing, he was batting with Jeff Crowe vs Sri Lanka ( you know, the NZ battler who was no where near as good as his brother at batting ) and the first one to get to a hundred ( they both did ) would have the honour of scoring New Zealand’s 100th first class century. Did Paddles, by that stage already a legend, bow down and let the inferior Crowe brother get it ?
Fuck no, he accelerated, got the hundred first ( finishing on 151 not out because breaking every NZ bowling record wasn’t enough) and left JC to get an unbeaten 120......or in other words the 101st century...
Is it any wonder some of Paddles teammates weren’t too impressed with him at times ?
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@Chris-B said in Other Cricket:
@Gunner He might have written more than one - that one was a little bit like "Hadlee on Cricket" - semi autobiographical, but also with quite a few coaching tips.
Oh na, it must have been another one I read. Straight autobiography, no coaching or anything like that in it.
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Feel free to move if this is the wrong thread but woohoooo, great stuff ( puts on grumpy old man hat ) only two tests ?
I hope they give us respect and don’t treat us like a warm up for India....
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