Cricket - NZ vs Sri Lanka
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@rotated said in Cricket - NZ vs Sri Lanka:
@MN5 said in Cricket - NZ vs Sri Lanka:
I think the respective careers of Alasdair Cook and Ross Taylor indicate where NZ are very nicely. Same age, pretty much the same ability yet Cook managed 161 tests while Rossco is 90 and counting..
It's not as though Taylor has been twiddling his thumbs for the reminder of that time - we are usually playing ODIs where he will hopefully retire with the most ODI centuries by a non sub-continental player outside Ponting.
Taylor (hopefully, probably) will play another 4 years - at least in a single format. Cook punted ODIs and T20 early to focus on test cricket but ultimately it ate him alive psychologically and he burnt out. For a guy like Taylor playing different formats must help massively because whenever his form dips too much in one format he is onto another format and is able to find his way into form again. In a weird way losing the captaincy early may have prolonged his career too.
Agree with all of this and great post but how many tests has Taylor missed in his career ( I'm assuming the odd one for injury ? )
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@MN5 said in Cricket - NZ vs Sri Lanka:
@rotated said in Cricket - NZ vs Sri Lanka:
@MN5 said in Cricket - NZ vs Sri Lanka:
I think the respective careers of Alasdair Cook and Ross Taylor indicate where NZ are very nicely. Same age, pretty much the same ability yet Cook managed 161 tests while Rossco is 90 and counting..
It's not as though Taylor has been twiddling his thumbs for the reminder of that time - we are usually playing ODIs where he will hopefully retire with the most ODI centuries by a non sub-continental player outside Ponting.
Taylor (hopefully, probably) will play another 4 years - at least in a single format. Cook punted ODIs and T20 early to focus on test cricket but ultimately it ate him alive psychologically and he burnt out. For a guy like Taylor playing different formats must help massively because whenever his form dips too much in one format he is onto another format and is able to find his way into form again. In a weird way losing the captaincy early may have prolonged his career too.
Agree with all of this and great post but how many tests has Taylor missed in his career ( I'm assuming the odd one for injury ? )
Statsguru says he has missed 9 tests of the 90 since his debut, with two of those being the SA tour immediately after after the captaincy.
Easily could have nabbed a few caps a season prior to his debut, but they rightly (for once) held off blooding a promising batsman too early him while persisting with Sinclair, How, Marshall etc.
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@rotated said in Cricket - NZ vs Sri Lanka:
@MN5 said in Cricket - NZ vs Sri Lanka:
@rotated said in Cricket - NZ vs Sri Lanka:
@MN5 said in Cricket - NZ vs Sri Lanka:
I think the respective careers of Alasdair Cook and Ross Taylor indicate where NZ are very nicely. Same age, pretty much the same ability yet Cook managed 161 tests while Rossco is 90 and counting..
It's not as though Taylor has been twiddling his thumbs for the reminder of that time - we are usually playing ODIs where he will hopefully retire with the most ODI centuries by a non sub-continental player outside Ponting.
Taylor (hopefully, probably) will play another 4 years - at least in a single format. Cook punted ODIs and T20 early to focus on test cricket but ultimately it ate him alive psychologically and he burnt out. For a guy like Taylor playing different formats must help massively because whenever his form dips too much in one format he is onto another format and is able to find his way into form again. In a weird way losing the captaincy early may have prolonged his career too.
Agree with all of this and great post but how many tests has Taylor missed in his career ( I'm assuming the odd one for injury ? )
Statsguru says he has missed 9 tests of the 90 since his debut, with two of those being the SA tour immediately after after the captaincy.
Easily could have nabbed a few caps a season prior to his debut, but they rightly (for once) held off blooding a promising batsman too early him while persisting with Sinclair, How, Marshall etc.
Cool so my point of him missing fuck all is justified.
Geez old mate Sinclair had a weird test career.
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Doing some drunken googling......Henry Nicholls.....test average 43.54 !!!!!
Holy shit son.....save some pussy for the rest of the boys. Outstanding.
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@MN5 said in Cricket - NZ vs Sri Lanka:
Doing some drunken googling......Henry Nicholls.....test average 43.54 !!!!!
Holy shit son.....save some pussy for the rest of the boys. Outstanding.
I was doing the same the other day.
Have we ever had a better top 6 in terms of collective averages?Raval 34.69
Latham 41.59
Williamson 51.44
Taylor 45.93
Nicholls 43.54
Watling 37.74In the bad old days we’d be doing well if we had just one averaging in the 40’s and the rest mid to low 30’s plodders.
Now we’ve got three of them, plus one in the neverland of the 50’s.Unreal!
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@Gunner said in Cricket - NZ vs Sri Lanka:
@MN5 said in Cricket - NZ vs Sri Lanka:
Doing some drunken googling......Henry Nicholls.....test average 43.54 !!!!!
Holy shit son.....save some pussy for the rest of the boys. Outstanding.
I was doing the same the other day.
Have we ever had a better top 6 in terms of collective averages?Raval 34.69
Latham 41.59
Williamson 51.44
Taylor 45.93
Nicholls 43.54
Watling 37.74In the bad old days we’d be doing well if we had just one averaging in the 40’s and the rest mid to low 30’s plodders.
Now we’ve got three of them, plus one in the neverland of the 50’s.Unreal!
Short answer. No.
I do remember Craig McMillan sneaking his over 40 and being immensely proud but then it went down late in his career.
Having four over 40 in one team is ridiculously good. We don't quite have the Hadlee/Bond spearhead but the Boult/Southee/Wagner trio is very likely our best ever.
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It's a good team but it's a team where we have to win now. Taylor and Watling probably have two years before their form starts to decline. Southee and Boult are 30/29. Will they be the same in three years? There are question marks about who our best spinner should be, question marks about the all rounder and pressure could be on Raval if there are a few more failures. So you can be pessimistic about the future too. Our next batsman in is probably still Brownlie, our next quick, Henry, has a poor test record to this point.
If we are going to do well at a World Cup again it probably has to be this year. 2023 will be India and the teams from that part of the world will be tough to beat. We need the team to deliver now because we don't get a team as good as this often enough to waste it.
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@Gunner said in Cricket - NZ vs Sri Lanka:
@MN5 said in Cricket - NZ vs Sri Lanka:
Doing some drunken googling......Henry Nicholls.....test average 43.54 !!!!!
Holy shit son.....save some pussy for the rest of the boys. Outstanding.
I was doing the same the other day.
Have we ever had a better top 6 in terms of collective averages?Raval 34.69
Latham 41.59
Williamson 51.44
Taylor 45.93
Nicholls 43.54
Watling 37.74In the bad old days we’d be doing well if we had just one averaging in the 40’s and the rest mid to low 30’s plodders.
Now we’ve got three of them, plus one in the neverland of the 50’s.Unreal!
The closest we got was through the 80s, with Turner then Crowe coinciding with JF Reid then Jones, so two above 44 with another two above 37 for some of it (Wright for all of it and Coney until he retired in 1987).
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The '04 line-up was the closest I've seen. The difference in the top six basically being Kane and that difference being made up by 7-9 (granted even though both would score runs that year, neither Baz or Vettori were the batsman they would become)
Richardson 44.77
Fleming 40.07
Astle 37.02
Styris 36.05
McMillan 38.47
Oram 36.33
Then...
Cairns
McCullum
Vettori -
After this particular test, Rigor was averaging 54, Chinny 45, Macca and Skippy 43, and Flem 37. Matt Horne in the low 30s.
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@Chris-B said in Cricket - NZ vs Sri Lanka:
@MN5 I don't think Kane should be compared to Sir Paddles until he finishes his career.
If he plays to the same age then he's not even halfway through.
Even then should he be compared to a bowler? If Kane keeps going on the same trajectory he is going at the moment, I will happily call them equal best. Paddles strike rather was extraordinary.
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@Chris-B said in Cricket - NZ vs Sri Lanka:
@MN5 I don't think Kane should be compared to Sir Paddles until he finishes his career.
If he plays to the same age then he's not even halfway through.
I suppose Paddles had the advantage of being a handy batsman but even KW is a more than useful bowler when he turns the arm over.
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@MN5 @Hooroo Different jobs - different eras.
Kane will probably play more than twice the number of test Sir Paddles did - but, a lot less first class cricket.
Received wisdom seems that Kane has already gone past Marty Crowe - but, Marty scored 71 first class centuries - where Kane has just 29 - and that has to be factored into the career equation where the old guys played a lot of non-international first class cricket compared to the guys today.
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@Chris-B said in Cricket - NZ vs Sri Lanka:
@MN5 @Hooroo Different jobs - different eras.
Kane will probably play more than twice the number of test Sir Paddles did - but, a lot less first class cricket.
Received wisdom seems that Kane has already gone past Marty Crowe - but, Marty scored 71 first class centuries - where Kane has just 29 - and that has to be factored into the career equation where the old guys played a lot of non-international first class cricket compared to the guys today.
Sir Paddles has more than 100 first class five-wicket bags.
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@Chris-B said in Cricket - NZ vs Sri Lanka:
@Chris-B said in Cricket - NZ vs Sri Lanka:
@MN5 @Hooroo Different jobs - different eras.
Kane will probably play more than twice the number of test Sir Paddles did - but, a lot less first class cricket.
Received wisdom seems that Kane has already gone past Marty Crowe - but, Marty scored 71 first class centuries - where Kane has just 29 - and that has to be factored into the career equation where the old guys played a lot of non-international first class cricket compared to the guys today.
Sir Paddles has more than 100 first class five-wicket bags.
And Glen Turner did the batting equivalent with centuries......but I think that's only part of the equation when you consider ordinary test batsmen like Graeme Hick, Mark Ramprakash and Mike Gatting did exactly the same.
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Munro out to a dubious caught decision. Looked to me like the ball hit the ground...
Anywho 23/1 in the 5th over.
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@Gunner said in Cricket - NZ vs Sri Lanka:
Munro out to a dubious caught decision. Looked to me like the ball hit the ground...
Anywho 23/1 in the 5th over.
I'm happy with those calls. They always look dodgy, but there is almost always a finger under the ball. As long as they get called consistently I'm happy-and in fair they are now pretty clear about it
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54/1 after 8.
Guptill bashing a few boundaries.
Williamson doing a Williamson and immediately making scoring at a run a ball look like a walk in the park. -
The leggie is going to get Guptil
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135/1 from 23, a very good platform being laid here by these two.
Guptill 69 (73)
Kane 51(52)Could be some fireworks in the back end of this innings
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Really is a cracking ground. I have to get there for a game.
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@Gunner said in Cricket - NZ vs Sri Lanka:
Munro out to a dubious caught decision. Looked to me like the ball hit the ground...
Anywho 23/1 in the 5th over.
Looked out to me
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@booboo said in Cricket - NZ vs Sri Lanka:
@Gunner said in Cricket - NZ vs Sri Lanka:
Munro out to a dubious caught decision. Looked to me like the ball hit the ground...
Anywho 23/1 in the 5th over.
Looked out to me
I agree. He had it and was in control of it
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@Hooroo said in Cricket - NZ vs Sri Lanka:
@booboo said in Cricket - NZ vs Sri Lanka:
@Gunner said in Cricket - NZ vs Sri Lanka:
Munro out to a dubious caught decision. Looked to me like the ball hit the ground...
Anywho 23/1 in the 5th over.
Looked out to me
I agree. He had it and was in control of it
You wearing your reading glasses?
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182/1 from 30 overs.
Being only one down, they can effectively play it like a T20 innings from here on in.
Going conservatively at 7's that'll get us up to 322, which should be bare minimum from the position we're in.
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Only closely aligned to this topic but it needs to go somewhere. Oh how I miss the days of the old Sports Roundup and the Wonderful Lazy Hazy Crazy Days of Summer and the many many enjoyable hours listening to the likes of Peter Sharp and the Scotsman Jim something (forget his last name) from Lancaster Park, Trevor Rigby, Colin Sneddon, Iain Galloway, and there are others whose names I forget at the moment keeping us entertained and up to date on the goings on during all first class domestic cricket in NZ.
Lawn Bowls also had Stu Scott with his informative and entertaining descriptions of bowls matches keeping us up to date with goings on when the NZ Champs started on Boxing Day and went on for about a fortnight when upwards of a couple of thousand guys entered the NZ singles champs about twenty years ago. Hell we were so lucky in the days before Radio Stations were not run by the corporates all competing for the gold medal in the who can air the most advertisements in an hour contest!
Anyway here is the link
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=12184893 -
Just tuned into the cricket, welcome back guppy with yet another ton (his 14th)
Since when did the caps start wearing All Blacks jerseys? -
@Virgil glad I'm not the only one wondering about that. Seems to be working tho! Good to see Taylor going hard as we finish the innings
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Fuck, stupid white collar got Taylor out!
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Jimmy!!
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666
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6666
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He's bowled a gutter ball!
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Jimmy!!!
6666 nb+2 6 1
34 fucken off the over -
Unleash the NEESH!
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i was about to make a post giving ROssco a serve for getting out at exactly the wrong time, and the new bloke for doing absolutely everything wrong.
And then Neesham goes apeshit.
He's still wildly overrated.
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@mariner4life said in Cricket - NZ vs Sri Lanka:
i was about to make a post giving ROssco a serve for getting out at exactly the wrong time, and the new bloke for doing absolutely everything wrong.
And then Neesham goes apeshit.
He's still wildly overrated.
Go suck off Santner you homosaurus.
Neesh is Jesus in black today.
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I think Neesham has found his form again.
Take a bow lad.
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