Womens RWC 2021 -NZ to host
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Fiji had a stack of handling errors and really should have won by more. They've benefited from things like SuperW in terms of getting their cohesion moving upwards.
SA have great building blocks tho, and just need to lift their investment and scheduling to get more games. Problem is they're just going to whack all the local nations so have to get harder opponents in Europe or the Pacific, increasing the expense. Tough problem.
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@NTA said in Womens RWC 2021 -NZ to host:
Wow. France v England - just the first half shows how far ahead they are of a lot of nations at ruck time.
They are also far ahead of the ruck! As a freshly badged ref what is your take on the way these NH womens teams all seem to fold around the tackle area (join legally but on the fringe then keep moving forward until they fall and disrupt). Also joining at the fringe, moving forward then disengaging so as to be a nuisance. Looks to be coached to me and the refs do nothing.
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Even more so, this England team hasn't known much scoreboard pressure let alone being behind. We've seen it before with the ABs (2007 springs to mind with SA being the only team to beat us in 30 odd games). Froze and didn't know what to do despite being the better team.
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@Crucial said in Womens RWC 2021 -NZ to host:
@NTA said in Womens RWC 2021 -NZ to host:
Wow. France v England - just the first half shows how far ahead they are of a lot of nations at ruck time.
They are also far ahead of the ruck! As a freshly badged ref what is your take on the way these NH womens teams all seem to fold around the tackle area (join legally but on the fringe then keep moving forward until they fall and disrupt). Also joining at the fringe, moving forward then disengaging so as to be a nuisance. Looks to be coached to me and the refs do nothing.
England got pinged for it a couple of times (their 17 in particular was bad at making it look innocent), but I think it is the natural progression of teams into a more professional mindset, where the officials are well behind them in terms of quality. Push it right to the edge and then keep pushing if the ref says nothing.
The rampant offside at maul is also a problem here - barely picked up at all and I think there needs to be a focus on this.
A lot of our girls are still playing for what I'd term "A Competitive Level Of Enjoyment", and not for sheep stations. That will change once it is a living and not just a passionate hobby.
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@Crucial said in Womens RWC 2021 -NZ to host:
Even more so, this England team hasn't known much scoreboard pressure let alone being behind. We've seen it before with the ABs (2007 springs to mind with SA being the only team to beat us in 30 odd games). Froze and didn't know what to do despite being the better team.
One dimensional? Definitely - a lot like their men's team TBH because they don't give a shit about looking good, just winning the game they gave to the world
Thing is, that single dimension is pretty fucking good. Odds are it will carry them through to a win in this RWC, but when the rest of the chasing pack are investing a proportionate amount of money into it, things will get sticky real quick.
Their defence is top notch, to the point where France had to kick to break it open for a try. I am eagerly awaiting how that defence goes against NZ's offload game.
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I'm not so concerned about the scrum. We can be better than we were against Wales and hopefully there aren't too many scrums.
Mauls are an issue though. First thing that and England or France will try is to kick deep knowing that our clearance kicking isn't great. Even at 40 metres out they will maul and draw a penalty for the kick to touch and maul again. Rinse and repeat.
So it is either disrupt the lineout before the maul can form or be very disciplined.
Given the way that attacking players seem to be able to join at will, Mauls are being allowed to split off the side and still be called as same maul and spinning the maul basically gives you a free 10 metres before defenders can rejoin, the advantage is heavily in the mauling team's favour. -
Having watched a bit of it through "highlights", these women are being badly let down by a standard of refereeing not up to the task.
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@antipodean said in Womens RWC 2021 -NZ to host:
Having watched a bit of it through "highlights", these women are being badly let down by a standard of refereeing not up to the task.
Haven’t watched all the matches, but any men reffing?
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@MiketheSnow Ben Whitehouse is one of the TMOs.
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@mikedogz said in Womens RWC 2021 -NZ to host:
The only men involved are TMO
I wonder if they're not saying shit in case they get accused of mansplaining...
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@antipodean said in Womens RWC 2021 -NZ to host:
@mikedogz said in Womens RWC 2021 -NZ to host:
The only men involved are TMO
I wonder if they're not saying shit in case they get accused of mansplaining...
On a similar arc: I noticed the player profiles contain age and height, but not weight?
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@antipodean said in Womens RWC 2021 -NZ to host:
Having watched a bit of it through "highlights", these women are being badly let down by a standard of refereeing not up to the task.
The highlights are reflective of the rest of the game.
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From a kiwi angle I’m getting a similar vibe to the early stages the 03 mens World Cup ,
How will the attacking flair of nz stand up to the power and structure game of England?
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@NTA said in Womens RWC 2021 -NZ to host:
@antipodean said in Womens RWC 2021 -NZ to host:
@mikedogz said in Womens RWC 2021 -NZ to host:
The only men involved are TMO
I wonder if they're not saying shit in case they get accused of mansplaining...
On a similar arc: I noticed the player profiles contain age and height, but not weight?
Ask your missus if she would mind you publishing her weight and see what the response is. For some reason women get a bit touchy on that subject.
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@Crucial said in Womens RWC 2021 -NZ to host:
@NTA said in Womens RWC 2021 -NZ to host:
@antipodean said in Womens RWC 2021 -NZ to host:
@mikedogz said in Womens RWC 2021 -NZ to host:
The only men involved are TMO
I wonder if they're not saying shit in case they get accused of mansplaining...
On a similar arc: I noticed the player profiles contain age and height, but not weight?
Ask your missus if she would mind you publishing her weight and see what the response is. For some reason women get a bit touchy on that subject.
Exactly my thoughts. Just seems weird that we're not going full equality on this
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It is strange if the official RWC site doesn't have the full player stats.
The Black Ferns do publish them:
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@Bovidae said in Womens RWC 2021 -NZ to host:
It is strange if the official RWC site doesn't have the full player stats.
The Black Ferns do publish them:
Good find. I was trying to see the pack weights the other day because the coverage wasn't giving them. Guess i will have to track them down individually.
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@NTA said in Womens RWC 2021 -NZ to host:
I've just seen the red card against Gold 16 Marsters.
Tackler's head hit ball runner's shoulder first which is not "direct" head contact. The red card is therefore incorrect, which precipitates the second red card.
So both red cards should be rubbed out.
Not according to the judiciary. Red Card upheld and a 3 week ban.
The 2xYC Red was deemed sufficient on field punishment.
So Oz loose a hooker but they may also play a Wales team missing a prop as Donna Rose is still to have her hearing. (Rose was cited post game for dangerous contact in a ruck or maul)
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