2019 under 20's
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Overall found it very similar to first game. They started really poor but came into it. Once the defence clicked we played off that a lot.
Still really concerned with a few areas.
1- skills. Like first game we did not look fluid on attack, dropped heaps of ball. Against NH teams and even Aussies will need huge improvement.
2- still lack of forward impact around park. Against France, England we will need ball carriers and fetchers and just have not seen it.
3- half back. Was unimpressed with Fuinaki. Lacks game sense, a lot of passes to short runners heavy and longer passes lacked accuracy. In years we have done well we have had dominant 9s at this level like TTT 2015 and Enari 2017. -
Very difficult to draw conclusions from a match against such a weak opponent, but I'll try it anyway.
- Although you can't solely blame the frontrow for a weak scrum, I think it's fair to say that Friday's starting frontrow was better than today's.
- Locks: haven't seen anything noteworthy; there were not many line-outs. I'd probably go for Grace and Vaa'i for the game against Oz.
- Loosies: Parker played reasonably well at no. 8, but Flanders is clearly better. If Parker can play 6, I'd move him there. Herbert scored a few easy tries, but I didn't notice him much during the game apart from that. Boshier probably better than Finau, but as I said, I'd probably move Parker to 6 if he can play there.
- Halfback: still some sloppy passing; Funaki is better than Carter, but that's about all I can say about it.
- First five-eighth: still a messy game, disorganised, so game management still a lot to improve. Good kicking. I'd pick Reihana over Burke, lacking a better pivot.
- Midfield: McLeod was better today than last Friday, but that was easy against Japan. I'd really like to see Gregory at 12 with Lalomilo at 13, but I'm afraid McLeod will get that 12 jersey again, with Gregory being kept on the left wing, at least, until the Super Rugby boys are released. Lalomilo is someone to keep at centre. Can Tupaea play on the wing? Forbes was invisible for most of the game; didn't impress at fullback.
NZ best forward: hard to say; nobody really stood out, maybe Parker
NZ best back: Gregory and Lalomilo
Weakest link in the forwards: can't really single out one player.
Weakest link in the backs: same; right wing and fullback were very quiet.Worst part of our game: see previous game (no real improvement in ball handling and game management). Worse than previous game: the scrum.
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Bit late to the party on this one but I really like the trial reserve rules. Opens up way more tactics for substitutions. Trying to close out a close one? Bring on the better defensive players. Need to play catch up? Put out an aggressive attacking backline.
Coaches basically programme in their subs as part of game planning now, this would open things up and reward the better tactical coaches.
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@Cyclops said in 2019 under 20's:
Bit late to the party on this one but I really like the trial reserve rules. Opens up way more tactics for substitutions. Trying to close out a close one? Bring on the better defensive players. Need to play catch up? Put out an aggressive attacking backline.
Coaches basically programme in their subs as part of game planning now, this would open things up and reward the better tactical coaches.
Yet, we still got uncontested scrums in just the third match this was trialled ......
I don't see the point of this other than an arms race to exclude rugby upsets ever happening again.
T2 nations with weak benches? Go fuck yourselves you pathetic pieces of shits, I want more pawns to move on my coaches chessboard. Actually, tbh I just want to second guess my coach's chess moves from the couch.
Club teams scratching to get 15 players each week let alone 23 and now possibly 28 if you want to match the Ponsonby's of the world and not get blown away in the last quarter every fucking weekend. Just fold the club and close your doors, maybe by merging with a Ponsonby.
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@Rapido You're jumping to conclusions. It's only a trial, and we don't even know whether they intend to apply this to club rugby or "over 20s" rugby. Also, maybe it's only about allowing 28 players in their squad (13 players on the bench), maybe it's still allowed to have 23 players if teams can't name 28 (or anything in-between).
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@Rapido said in 2019 under 20's:
@Cyclops said in 2019 under 20's:
Bit late to the party on this one but I really like the trial reserve rules. Opens up way more tactics for substitutions. Trying to close out a close one? Bring on the better defensive players. Need to play catch up? Put out an aggressive attacking backline.
Coaches basically programme in their subs as part of game planning now, this would open things up and reward the better tactical coaches.
Yet, we still got uncontested scrums in just the third match this was trialled ......
I don't see the point of this other than an arms race to exclude rugby upsets ever happening again.
T2 nations with weak benches? Go fuck yourselves you pathetic pieces of shits, I want more pawns to move on my coaches chessboard. Actually, tbh I just want to second guess my coach's chess moves from the couch.
Club teams scratching to get 15 players each week let alone 23 and now possibly 28 if you want to match the Ponsonby's of the world and not get blown away in the last quarter every fucking weekend. Just fold the club and close your doors, maybe by merging with a Ponsonby.
It's still the same number of actual changes though. So there's no difference in terms being able to replace players. It just means the coach has a range of options for who to bring on. Probably reduces the value of utilities massively.
I can see how below professional level where numbers aren't a given in gives an unfair advantage but bring in on for the pros. Make subs a real tactical decision and not just 'shifts'.
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It's a shit idea, that I'm giving the appropriate level of scorn that it deserves. While it is still a trial, before it infects the rest of rugby.
At an amateur level we will have coaches hoarding 5 un-used subs each weekend. Which are 5 un-used subs that the rich will be hoarding at the expense of the poorer clubs. Or at the expense of the rich clubs 2nd XV.
If it is for be for pro rugby only, then that's also a shit idea worthy of my scorn. Whats the point of making the start up professional outfit like DC Old Glory or Rugby United New York needing a bench of 28 each weekend. Or making Saracens want to buy even more South Africans so that their coach has some richer un-used chess options than Wasps.
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@Cyclops said in 2019 under 20's:
@Rapido said in 2019 under 20's:
@Cyclops said in 2019 under 20's:
Bit late to the party on this one but I really like the trial reserve rules. Opens up way more tactics for substitutions. Trying to close out a close one? Bring on the better defensive players. Need to play catch up? Put out an aggressive attacking backline.
Coaches basically programme in their subs as part of game planning now, this would open things up and reward the better tactical coaches.
Yet, we still got uncontested scrums in just the third match this was trialled ......
I don't see the point of this other than an arms race to exclude rugby upsets ever happening again.
T2 nations with weak benches? Go fuck yourselves you pathetic pieces of shits, I want more pawns to move on my coaches chessboard. Actually, tbh I just want to second guess my coach's chess moves from the couch.
Club teams scratching to get 15 players each week let alone 23 and now possibly 28 if you want to match the Ponsonby's of the world and not get blown away in the last quarter every fucking weekend. Just fold the club and close your doors, maybe by merging with a Ponsonby.
It's still the same number of actual changes though. So there's no difference in terms being able to replace players. It just means the coach has a range of options for who to bring on. Probably reduces the value of utilities massively.
I can see how below professional level where numbers aren't a given in gives an unfair advantage but bring in on for the pros. Make subs a real tactical decision and not just 'shifts'.
Go watch NFL ffs.
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A world cup warm up match.
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@Daffy-Jaffy And today the Boks bet Wales 34-31 after being down 24-7. The advantage of a team being together and playing for 4-5mnths as the NH teams do, look sharpe! Even though only clips compare that to the games we have played and they look more polished which is what you would expect. Fowards big with offloading skills worries me against our boys...big difference.
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The team vs Aus:
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Ollie Norris (Waikato)
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Kianu Kereru Symes – captain (Hawke’s Bay)
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Tamaiti Williams (Canterbury)
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Cullen Grace (Canterbury)
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Tupou Vaa’i (Taranaki)
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Samipeni Finau (Waikato)
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Kohan Herbert (Bay of Plenty)
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Kaylum Boshier (Taranaki)
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Leroy Carter (Bay of Plenty)
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Fergus Burke (Canterbury)
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Scott Gregory (Northland)
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Dallas McLeod (Canterbury)
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Quinn Tupaea (Waikato)
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Lalomilo Lalomilo (Bay of Plenty)
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Cole Forbes (Bay of Plenty)
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Shilo Klein (Canterbury)
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George Dyer (Waikato)
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Kaliopasi Uluilakepa (Wellington)
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Fletcher Newell (Canterbury)
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Taine Plumtree (Wellington)
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James Thompson (Waikato)
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Jeriah Mua (Bay of Plenty)
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Simon Parker (Waikato)
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Taufa Funaki (Auckland)
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Rivez Reihana (Waikato)
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Danny Toala (Hawke’s Bay)
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Chay Fihaki (Canterbury)
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Sam Gilbert (Canterbury)
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Philpott said a range of factors were taken into consideration when selecting this team. “Some players have been selected on form but in some cases we are looking at developing combinations and ensuring players get solid game time.” The World Rugby trial to have an extended bench, with 14 players, eight of which are allowed to join the game, has added a different element to the series. “As coaches it means we have to be a bit more agile in our thinking. When you only have eight players on the bench you tend to pre plan a bit but here we have to think on our feet to get that maximum impact.”http://www.allblacks.com/News/34066/new-zealand-under-20-team-named-to-face-australia
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Philpott clearly doesn't want to win the Oceania Championship. That's not the best possible squad.
Flanders seems to be injured, but why pick Finau, Burke and Forbes to start? Naming Toala on the bench instead of starting him is insane. Not sure whether the Aussies have it in them to beat us, but this NZ squad will have trouble enough beating some NH teams with their best line-up, let alone with the wrong starters. Would be keen to know which "combinations" crackpott is talking about.
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It's a fairly ordinary Under 20s class this year tbh. I don't think we will be winning the WC anyway.
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@Canes4life True, but picking the right players for the right spots would help.
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@Stargazer yeah a strange one that tbey haven't pick Toala. Unless he is injured and they won't actually play him off the bench.
