The Māori All Blacks' tour to the Americas
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@machpants said in The Māori All Blacks' tour to the Americas:
ref was pretty one eyed there, that's a deliberate *knock down to me
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Assiming from your post there was no penalty, as there shouldn't if it was down ...
Call me Pavlov's fish
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@stargazer I agree, was very happy with how physical they both were.
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@nepia said in The Māori All Blacks' tour to the Americas:
It’s weird that Sky couldn’t find at least one Maori to be part of this commentary team.
Hames would be good value as he seems to be an intelligent guy judging by his comments.
He would only have to go to the next room to join the Sky commentators.
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@tim said in The Māori All Blacks' tour to the Americas:
Didn't go past horizontal, landed on his back not neck or shoulders ... not sure the problem
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@bovidae said in The Māori All Blacks' tour to the Americas:
@nepia said in The Māori All Blacks' tour to the Americas:
It’s weird that Sky couldn’t find at least one Maori to be part of this commentary team.
Hames would be good value as he seems to be an intelligent guy judging by his comments.
He would only have to go to the next room to join the Sky commentators.
Yeah, he was really good, I'm sure he could have offered something in the commentary box!
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@nepia said in The Māori All Blacks' tour to the Americas:
@taniwharugby said in The Māori All Blacks' tour to the Americas:
dont you need to be able to trace/prove your Whakapapa?
Yep, but it’s a NZ team so you need to be an NZ player - e.g. Quade can’t as he’s an Oz contracted player.
The Maori criteria is contracted to a provincial union and Whakapapa
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@booboo said in The Māori All Blacks' tour to the Americas:
@tim said in The Māori All Blacks' tour to the Americas:
Didn't go past horizontal, landed on his back not neck or shoulders ... not sure the problem
The problem is that it’s rugby, not WWF. No issue with that sort of thing being dealt with. I wouldn’t even classify that as a tackle.
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@act-crusader said in The Māori All Blacks' tour to the Americas:
@nepia said in The Māori All Blacks' tour to the Americas:
@taniwharugby said in The Māori All Blacks' tour to the Americas:
dont you need to be able to trace/prove your Whakapapa?
Yep, but it’s a NZ team so you need to be an NZ player - e.g. Quade can’t as he’s an Oz contracted player.
The Maori criteria is contracted to a provincial union and Whakapapa
Really? That seems weird to me. Quade should come play some NPC.
Cheers.
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@nepia I guess in theory, as NZM doesnt tie you to NZ, he could, but I suspect there would be somethign in there about NZ eligibility...although someone like Riki Flutely coulda made things interesting if he came back and was upto it
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@stargazer I guess it depends how far you go back in your family history. I'd fit right in with some of these white boys!
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@bovidae I wonder what the criteria are. I understand they're quite strict in applying them nowadays. Is it 1/16th?
Interestingly, Karpik apparently only recently found out about his whakapapa.
Mitch Karpik didn't know much about his Māori heritage until recently, but now it's been discovered he wants to find out more. Making the Māori All Blacks for their tour of the Americas next month is just a bonus. "Whether I made the team or not it's just cool to know where I came from," says the blond haired flanker who was named both the Steamers Player of the Year and Player's Player of the Year at the Bay of Plenty rugby awards on Wednesday night. "It's actually on my mum's side. She traced it back a couple of years ago now and confirmed it with kaumatua down Hawke's Bay way. "Hopefully one day I can get down there with Mum and meet the whanau." -
@stargazer Blood quantum or percentage or fraction is irrelevant to Maori - we go over this every year - it's all based on whakapapa. If you have dead ancestors then you have whakapapa.
If someone with previously unknown whakapapa discovers it through the Maori team then I think that's great as they then have to learn their pepeha (explaining who you are, where you and your people are from etc) in Maori (and learn a few waiata I guess - I'm not a fan of endless singing so I'm not fussed with that). And as Karpik notes he's actually now thinking about heading down to HB to meet his family which will likely involve visiting his Marae etc.
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@stargazer I have no idea on the exact criteria but it would need to be verified. IIRC my father and uncle needed to provide a lot of documentation to become a registered member of their iwi so I would expect a similar process for the NZM.
