Build A Waterfront Stadium
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@booboo said in Build A Waterfront Stadium:
@canefan said in Build A Waterfront Stadium:
. Just because you can doesn't mean you should
There's something that worries me about this project. Just have that suspicion that if you try to get too fancy anything that could go wrong will go wrong.
Just have a Montreal Olympic Stadium vibe about it.
For sure. So many things could go wrong and construction costs will be much greater. Will they need to build a dry dock of sorts just to construct the stadium? They should keep it simple
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I thought that we had done the leaky building thing already...this could be a whole other level.
We already have the tepid baths for swimming in downtown AKL, and a harbour.
There does appear to be some pessimism about all this - perhaps it is just experience.
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@snowy said in Build A Waterfront Stadium:
I thought that we had done the leaky building thing already...this could be a whole other level.
We already have the tepid baths for swimming in downtown AKL, and a harbour.
There does appear to be some pessimism about all this - perhaps it is just experience.
All of this, and @canefan 's comments - reek of the type of pessimism I despise when I start a new job.
"We tried this, and it didnt' work - so never try again"
when any competent motherfucker looks at what was done before, and says "yeah - you tried it, but you fucked it up"Sure - optimististki somewhat - but do it, DO IT WELL, and it would be fucking awesome.
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@snowy said in Build A Waterfront Stadium:
@kruse Agree that it could be fantastic but you have more faith than I do.
I'm about to build a house - needless to say that it doesn't have internal gutters - because water.
Not sure I have faith - just the reasons for arguing against it are flawed.
If I had awesome engineers that I trusted - I'd support it. In a heartbeat.
But yeah, I assume 90% of people are dumb as fuck and incompetent, so... if I was building a house, unless I was micro-managing (actually... doing) everything, sure - I'd be avoiding risk. -
@kruse said in Build A Waterfront Stadium:
@snowy said in Build A Waterfront Stadium:
@kruse Agree that it could be fantastic but you have more faith than I do.
I'm about to build a house - needless to say that it doesn't have internal gutters - because water.
Not sure I have faith - just the reasons for arguing against it are flawed.
If I had awesome engineers that I trusted - I'd support it. In a heartbeat.
But yeah, I assume 90% of people are dumb as fuck and incompetent, so... if I was building a house, unless I was micro-managing (actually... doing) everything, sure - I'd be avoiding risk.Even engineers fuck up. Look at CTV, that bridge in Italy, the Titanic..... Water is so pervasive. It finds a way eventually. Raise it out of the water on piles like Etihad in Melbourne and maybe. Otherwise fugedaboutit
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@kruse said in Build A Waterfront Stadium:
If I had awesome engineers that I trusted -
That is where there may be a problem.
Then the private money "dries up" (yes, I know) and the rate payers "bail it out" (yes, again).
@kruse said in Build A Waterfront Stadium:
But yeah, I assume 90% of people are dumb as fuck and incompetent, so...
Yep. Just been through that on other thread. Unfortunately I won't be there with my superiority complex to micro manage the stadium as I will be busy supervising the morans building my house.
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'Free' stadium ignores economic realities
There's more to the cost of a waterfront stadium in Auckland than just swapping it for Eden Park.
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@dogmeat said in Build A Waterfront Stadium:
'Free' stadium ignores economic realities
There's more to the cost of a waterfront stadium in Auckland than just swapping it for Eden Park.
Hahahaha
These ideas are great, but they're from people who don't know where their lunch comes from."
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aw man, Winston said he would move all that stuff up here, surely he did his due diligence on the consequence of doing so?
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@taniwharugby The only consequence of doing so he gives jack about is regaining Northland
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@dogmeat True. He doesn't need to get Northland back - we have MMP where you just sign up to a party that gets 5% and get a seat in Parliament. It really doesn't matter if the majority don't want you there. (That is about the system in general - not specifically Winnie).
Yes, I know there aren't many better systems but I have just been chased by a swarm of angry wasps. Never knew that they would nest in an old stack of pavers so I'm taking some time to get angry about other things while they calm down enough for me to kill them.
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Auckland is still wedged between a national stadium that is on the smaller side (~55k) and a single-purpose rectangular stadium that is on the larger side (~40k+).
The time to strike for the former was pre-RWC, with a Lions tour looming (doubly so in hindsight with the earthquake delivering more premium games to EP). Better to bide there time now, deal with Eden Park as best as possible and try and take on the residents association.
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@rotated said in Build A Waterfront Stadium:
Auckland is still wedged between a national stadium that is on the smaller side (~55k) and a single-purpose rectangular stadium that is on the larger side (~40k+).
The time to strike for the former was pre-RWC, with a Lions tour looming (doubly so in hindsight with the earthquake delivering more premium games to EP). Better to bide there time now, deal with Eden Park as best as possible and try and take on the residents association.
Yes. This all seems quite rushed. And in the very unlikely possibility that it actually gets built it will be incredibly expensive to build and incredibly expensive to operate. E.g it is under fucking sea level. and the pumps will be going 24/7, 365.
This is a really stupid idea IMO.
However, if the entire port gets shifted out to the Hauraki Gulf / Firth of Thames in a 30 year horizon. Then there will be some sensible developable ex-port land (beside Spark Arena , old central station) that would make a good choice, at about exactly the time Auckland will need to decide about the next major spending on Eden Park, and at about a time that NZ might want to bid for a RWC.
This rushed decision to try and squeeze a ridiculously expensive build onto one of the finger wharves is just absolute bonkers.
The end goal for Auckland should be:
- a 20k rectangular stadium
- a 65k rectangular national stadium
- a cricket oval
This is where I get whimsical ..... Two of the 3 options above should be attempted to develop together at the same site sharing a back-back stand to reduce operational costs (shared concourse, toilets, food outlets, corporate lounge, power substation etc). Sites for a 2 field facility would probably be too big for the ex-port. So explore Alexandra Park, Avondale, Mt Smart.
Eden Park could actually handle an expanded cricket oval on outer oval + small 20k rectangular configuration. The restriction would be the amount of night games for a facility hosting Super Rugby, NRL and cricket.
