Convicts v Marxist Land Thieves - Crucket
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@virgil said in Convicts v Marxist Land Thieves - Crucket:
@baron-silas-greenback said in Convicts v Marxist Land Thieves - Crucket:
@virgil said in Convicts v Marxist Land Thieves - Crucket:
If the captain of an international sporting team conspiracing to cheat with 3 or 4 other team mates ( and likely the coach too) doesn’t cause outrage for you I’m not sure what can
Child abuse, inheritance taxes. 2 examples off the bat
Wrong forum then, definitely the wrong thread
You wondered. I informed .
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@baron-silas-greenback you might not be outraged but this is going to forever be a black mark on Steve Smith's career.
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@kiwimurph said in Convicts v Marxist Land Thieves - Crucket:
@baron-silas-greenback you might not be outraged but this is going to forever be a black mark on Steve Smith's career.
Sure it will. Partly because of what he did, but mostly because it was an Aussie that did it. And it happened in a high profile and contentious series
Other captains have ball tampered. ..can you remember them all. I can't
Aussies are outraged out of embarrassment. ... everyone else just loves kicking Aussie cricketers. Smells like a lynch mob... -
@pn said in Convicts v Marxist Land Thieves - Crucket:
@hydro11 said in Convicts v Marxist Land Thieves - Crucket:
ng caught red handed. Definitely the players shouldn't be banned by the ICC for more than a couple of games. What CA does is up to them.
There is a difference between shining a ball and damaging it in order to artificially produce reverse swing.
Faf defended the lolly charge but admitted to trying to damage the ball by rubbing it against his zipper.
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@hydro11 said in Convicts v Marxist Land Thieves - Crucket:
@pn said in Convicts v Marxist Land Thieves - Crucket:
@hydro11 said in Convicts v Marxist Land Thieves - Crucket:
ng caught red handed. Definitely the players shouldn't be banned by the ICC for more than a couple of games. What CA does is up to them.
There is a difference between shining a ball and damaging it in order to artificially produce reverse swing.
Faf defended the lolly charge but admitted to trying to damage the ball by rubbing it against his zipper.
England also did that.
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@baron-silas-greenback Agreed.
Part of the 'Aussie that did it' factor is the status that cricket has in Australia (and therefore the Australian cricket captain has) and the status that Australia has in the cricketing world.
As the captain of Australia you should know all of this. Baggy green, Don Bradman etc etc.
So it is hard to have any sympathy for Smith.
Its comparable to the outrage an All Black captain would receive who did something vs an Argie rugby captain who did the same thing. The AB captain would receive much more outrage I would imagine.
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It's pretty devastating as a lifelong Aussie cricket fan. And it's unprecedented.
The Aussie team I grew up with played the game hard, but within the rules of the game. You can talk about sledging (or even underarm) and while you can get mired in an ethical argument, there were never any attempts to break the rules of the game in an orchestrated way.
While I may not have believed it a week ago, it's clear this team is broken. It was broken the moment the 'leadership group' had a conversation about breaking the laws of the game, let alone when they actually decided to do it.
Now everyone may do it, maybe. Certainly ball tampering itself is hardly unprecedented. But this feels different. Maybe it's the planning, or the way it all unfolded. Whatever it is it will take a long time to recover from.
It's also such a hard situation to deal with because it's really difficult to draw parallels to other sports. It's an issue so unique to cricket.
It's clear the team has totally lost it's compass. I think most of the blame should fall on Lehmann, for creating the environment where this stuff (and the sledging etc) can take place. But obviously Smith and Warner need to go as well.
The whole thing just sucks.
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What must really suck for all Aussie fans is the 2 guys most at fault with how these team conducts itself are also your 2 best players, Smith and Warner pretty much hold your batting side together.
Lose them and your screwed.
It would be like the Black Caps losing Williamson and Taylor. -
We won't fundamentally lose them, though. They will both serve a ban, but they will be back.
And at this stage I care so little about winning and losing. We need culture change, and in a way this could prove to be a blessing in the long run. New captain, new coach, new culture. Results are secondary... for now.
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@baron-silas-greenback said in Convicts v Marxist Land Thieves - Crucket:
@paekakboyz said in Convicts v Marxist Land Thieves - Crucket:
@baron-silas-greenback if that's the bar this sort of thing wouldn't make the top hundred... or even top thousand depending on how itemized you got. Almost worth not even posting about.
Unless you're in a sports forum of course
Except it was asked what outraged me. I answered. I think a lot of people just see it is an Australian so dial up the faux outrage to maximum. Similar things have been done in he past. Nowhere near this level of vitriol.
Ban the culprits for a few games in line with past transgressions and move on. Perhaps sack Smith as captain.Yeah, I've changed my stance a bit since listening to Doull talk about it.
If we're all going to be extra outraged about this, then we should expect the ICC to change the laws and deal out far harsher punishments for any and all ball tampering.
Otherwise, hand out the usual 1 match ban and move on.
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Would the 'outrage' be different if it was the Pakistanis?
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@taniwharugby said in Convicts v Marxist Land Thieves - Crucket:
Would the 'outrage' be different if it was the Pakistanis?
Totally different.
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Not a massive deal cricketing wise but more a great opportunity for Cricket Australia to get it's head out of it's arse.
From it's ridiculous payment spat to petty bullshit like the Bairstow press conference where Smith and Bancroft milked it mocking their opponent to the 4 nil hand balloons CA have behaved with little tact or real dignity for a while now.
They appointed a great batsman but limited leader and made him the whole show. No way Ponting, Waugh, Taylor or AB would risk getting caught in such a manner.
And the icing is that coach CEO and sundry have, not 24 hours ago, been climbing into everything South African about line crossing and crowd behaviour - all from a position comfortably on the right side of the line
So in the context of recent bleating and behaviour of aus cricket, a wee bit of wing clipping might not go amiss, after all the bans that is.
Winning the hearts and minds of fans back quickly might be a challenge though
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https://www.ausport.gov.au/news/asc_news/story_668717_asc_statement_on_australian_cricket
ASC statement on Australian Cricket
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25 Mar 2018Australian Sports Commission Chair John Wylie, the ASC Board and CEO Kate Palmer make the following statement in relation to events overnight concerning the Australian cricket team.
The ASC condemns cheating of any form in sport. The ASC expects and requires that Australian teams and athletes demonstrate unimpeachable integrity in representing our country.
The Australian cricket team are iconic representatives of our country. The example they set matters a great deal to Australia and to the thousands of young Australians playing or enjoying the sport of cricket and who look up to the national team as role models.
Given the admission by Australian captain Steve Smith, the ASC calls for him to be stood down immediately by Cricket Australia, along with any other members of the team leadership group or coaching staff who had prior awareness of, or involvement in, the plan to tamper with the ball.
This can occur while Cricket Australia completes a full investigation.
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Aussie government calls for those involved to step down:
The Australian Sports Commission (ASC) Chair John Wylie, the ASC Board, and CEO Kate Palmer - essentially speaking for the Australian government - called for severe action against the team. "The ASC condemns cheating of any form in sport," it said in a statement. "The ASC expects and requires that Australian teams and athletes demonstrate unimpeachable integrity in representing our country.
"Given the admission by Australian captain Steve Smith, the ASC calls for him to be stood down immediately by Cricket Australia, along with any other members of the team leadership group or coaching staff who had prior awareness of, or involvement in, the plan to tamper with the ball. This can occur while Cricket Australia completes a full investigation."
Australian government calls for Steven Smith to be removed as captain
The country's Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull called the ball-tampering incident in Cape Town a "shocking disappointment"
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Yup.... lynch mob
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@baron-silas-greenback more, less, expected?
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What feels different about this instance is the admission the ‘leadership group’ were all in on it, and the sight of Lehman trying to quietly message the team’s way out of it. My memory of previous ball tampering instances is that you usually had one cheating culprit rather than the immediate appearance of an orchestrated set of cheating.
I also don’t remember a team being dumb enough to drop themselves in it on that scale since the arrival of HD coverage...
Would it be different if it was Pakistan? Yep, I’d guess the outrage would be much less but the ultimate (formal) punishments would be stronger.
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@baron-silas-greenback said in Convicts v Marxist Land Thieves - Crucket:
Yup.... lynch mob
Yep but it’s to be expected given it’s the Australian cricket team
They have been at the heart of nearly every onfield and off field drama the last few years. They attract zero sympathy from anyone else.
Trawl through all the articles written about the issues on this tour and a large number are basically about sticking in the boot.
They have pissed off a lot of cricket fans for a while now. It’s their chance to kick them while they are down.
