England vs BCs ODI series
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@snowy said in England vs BCs ODI series:
This English team are annoying. They seem like decent blokes doing something they enjoy (maybe the exception of Stokes but he is a Kiwi). Morgan is a very likable captain and it is just hard to have a problem with them.
Bastards.
Agree, although Curran seems like a bit of a wank. They are my second favourite team and I hope they can lift the WC next year if we fail to do so.
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@akan004 said in England vs BCs ODI series:
@snowy said in England vs BCs ODI series:
This English team are annoying. They seem like decent blokes doing something they enjoy (maybe the exception of Stokes but he is a Kiwi). Morgan is a very likable captain and it is just hard to have a problem with them.
Bastards.
Agree, although Curran seems like a bit of a wank. They are my second favourite team and I hope they can lift the WC next year
if we fail to do so.
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@no-quarter 270 may be par against most teams but this English team bats right down so you have to account for that. 290 against this team is probably a par score on this pitch.
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England are sailing away with victory at 135/0.
I'm just happy our team with injuries and lack of depth could force a game five against the favourite to win next year's CWC. Proves we do have the talent to make another CWC final but there are lot of things to still work on.
Colin Munro needs to go away and redevelop his game because the big boys have him figured out. CdG also needs to change his batting style as well because he is making stupid shot selections. Needs to just keep the RR ticking like Elliott did.
Henry Nicholls isn't the guy to come in at six, that needs to be a big hitting all-rounder. Or do you consider moving Santner to six or seven?
Is Boult/Southee/CdG the best pace trio going into the CWC? Could a Henry/Bracewell/Ferguson/McClenaghan/Milne or Wagner offer something different? -
@Sneakdefreak it's starting to get a bit silly leaving Henry on the sidelines when he has 67 wickets from 35 matches at 24 a piece. I'd also like to see Ferguson as our 3rd seamer, he offers a point of difference and is useful at knocking over the lower order.
I don't think Hesson has got the tactics and selections quite right this summer.
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@no-quarter said in England vs BCs ODI series:
@Sneakdefreak it's starting to get a bit silly leaving Henry on the sidelines when he has 67 wickets from 35 matches at 24 a piece. I'd also like to see Ferguson as our 3rd seamer, he offers a point of difference and is useful at knocking over the lower order.
I don't think Hesson has got the tactics and selections quite right this summer.
This is a big reality check prior to the CWC next season. Back to the drawing board for the craps
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@no-quarter said in England vs BCs ODI series:
@Sneakdefreak it's starting to get a bit silly leaving Henry on the sidelines when he has 67 wickets from 35 matches at 24 a piece. I'd also like to see Ferguson as our 3rd seamer, he offers a point of difference and is useful at knocking over the lower order.
I don't think Hesson has got the tactics and selections quite right this summer.
Yeah - for ODIs I think you've got to start questioning persisting with Tim Southee.
His CWC heroics vs Australia have just moved outside three years ago and since then his ODI record has been decidedly ordinary. 47 wickets @47 with an economy rate of 5.84.
Henry, Ferguson and Milne (if fit) all line up as potentially better options.
In terms of batting, maybe Worker comes in for a chance ahead of Munro - or maybe Nicholls could be tried opening?
Latham appears to have cemented his place as keeper and at five.
Guptill
Someone (Probably Worker, possibly Munro)
Williamson
Taylor
Latham
Someone (Probably Nicholls)
Santner
Probably de Grandhomme
Someone (Henry/Milne/Southee)
Sodhi/Ferguson
BoultProblem is that we don't have a lot of depth - bugger all options for wholesale changes, with lots of known failures in the queues.
Edit: Corey Anderson might be part of the equation at six or instead of Colin.
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I would still like to see Latham open. I'm pretty old school - I like to set a solid base and go from there. I think Nicholls is a good batsman but I don't see much point of him at 6. Ultimately I would like to see Santner at six in ODIs if we are going to bat him there in test matches.
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For the CWC, which is going to be a ten-team tournament in England, I would go Guptill, Worker, Williamson, Taylor, Latham, CdG, Munro, Santner, Henry, Sodhi, Boult.
The other four in the 15-man squad would be Southee, Seifert, Wagner, Nicholls (or Broom, whoever is a better trainer at practice).Corey Anderson and Jimmy Neesham would be a blessing to this team but sadly Anderson seems a broken player and Neesham appears to have lost his drive for higher honours. It's crazy that CdG is our all-rounder by default (remember when our team was essentially a team of all-rounders?).
We currently have a lot of depth in the bowling department but a serious lack of quality batsmen.
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@sneakdefreak I don’t mind that team.
Munro could be good in the middle order offereringn that explosive 6, plus his lack of pace with the ball will be handy in England conditions.
Worker at the top also adds another part time spin option.
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@sneakdefreak said in England vs BCs ODI series:
For the CWC, which is going to be a ten-team tournament in England, I would go Guptill, Worker, Williamson, Taylor, Latham, CdG, Munro, Santner, Henry, Sodhi, Boult.
The other four in the 15-man squad would be Southee, Seifert, Wagner, Nicholls (or Broom, whoever is a better trainer at practice).Corey Anderson and Jimmy Neesham would be a blessing to this team but sadly Anderson seems a broken player and Neesham appears to have lost his drive for higher honours. It's crazy that CdG is our all-rounder by default (remember when our team was essentially a team of all-rounders?).
We currently have a lot of depth in the bowling department but a serious lack of quality batsmen.
I was picking the Neesh and Anderson having a real battle for the all rounder spot but both have fallen far down the pecking order.
Nicholls has probably saved his ass with an unbeaten 13 and 55. He's certainly a massive downgrade from the top 4 though.
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Munro struggled down the order when he first made the team. He really only has one gear and ends up getting caught when batting in the middle overs (much like CdG). We really want him out there in the first 10 when the field is up, or the final 10 when the slog is on.
I'm OK with him opening, when he comes off we get miles ahead of the game, and when he doesn't we have three class players around him to try and consolidate.
Latham and Nicholls are probably where we struggle with balance. We really want one of them at 5 and a more attacking player at 6. If Santner can keep building his form and confidence with the bat he could end up taking Nicholls place at 6. He made some huge strides forward against a good attack this series.
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@sneakdefreak Death bowling would be a problem with the starting XI - Henry doesn't seem able to avoid being smashed. But if you didn't need two spinners he could play alongside Southee (or Ferguson).
Wagner? He's going to give away a lot of extras bowling six bouncers an over!
Problem with using Munro as a pinch hitting opener is that when he comes off, it is IMO mainly going to be against the lesser teams - which is not unhandy. But, I really, really struggle to picture him delivering against a top team in a knockout match - so most likely we're starting behind the eight ball.
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