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@gunner said in Tri Series Cricket:
@kiwimurph said in Tri Series Cricket:
Why the hell does CDG bat so low
Good question.
If Bruce is just there to be a hitter at 4 (which he is fucking failing at) put CDG there instead as he can hit it but he can also actually bat.
It's easy to be reactionary though. CdG averaged 14 in T20Is before today. Hardly the sign of someone who should be batting at 4.
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@hydro11 was that average a reflection of batting lower in the order/slogging out with a couple of overs to go though.
I guess only the team knows what they’re working on behind the scenes. The first half of the summer papered over a few cracks, not least of which being Kane’s form and Timmy still alternating being brilliant/smashable with the ball.
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Reality is that if the top four don't do a lot of the batting, then you're rarely going to win.
I think one thing this season has shown is that, if he gets going, de Grandhomme is our most destructive batsman along with Munro. Don't know whether that's because he's in a rich vein of form or his batting really has gone to a new level, but it looks like the latter. Regardless, why wouldn't you use him? I can't see any point in batting him lower than five and I'd float him to four if we don't lose early wickets.
Then you need a few people who can ice the cake and make sure we win unless we've fallen in a heap at the top (if we have the game is gone so we just take our bitter medicine). To me (on an admittedly small sample) - Blundell looks a bit like a nurdler, where I reckon you want someone who can hit powerfully. I'd be inclined to go with the Baron's suggestion of Seifert - who I haven't really seen, but he scored the third most runs in the Super Smash at a rate of 146, so he appears to be able to hold a bat.
Southee at seven, Santner at eight - Sodhi, Boult, Ferguson.
Like NQ I'm completely mystified why Ferguson isn't in the squad and Kitchen is. Last night you just knew that Colin's holding pattern for three overs wasn't going to cut the mustard (in fact, I couldn't see why we didn't follow the McCullum plan of just bowling out your best bowlers and leaving Colin and Munro to bowl the final three).
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I don’t follow cricket as closely as most here probably do but always wish the black caps well,
But it seems to me every time we string a few wins together a lot in Nz particularly the media get ahead of themselves
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@kiwiinmelb People always get a bit excited - it is after all the Black Caps - so there's been long dry spells and you've got to drink heavily at the well while it's raining!
But, I don't think we're too far ahead of ourselves. We have got a good team - it's just that T20 is a bit of a crapshoot.
Notably, with three T20 losses we've fallen from first to third in the world, while with one win Australia has moved from seventh to fifth equal. In reality it is a joke to think that they would ever be seventh and behind e.g. the Windies.
Pretty much all the rankings are equally flimsy - neither Munro nor Sodhi have retained their number one rankings, while Santner has stolen the number one bowling crown.
I'd tend to think the IPL auction is a better indicator of rankings (albeit slanted towards playing in Indian conditions) and it would be pretty interesting to look at the market cap of the Oz team vs us. Someone like Warner or Lynn is probably going to earn more than all our guys together.
Have to admit, since I don't watch the Big Bash, Stanlake was a revelation to me. Bowling a bit like Mitchell Starc on steriods!
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@chris-b said in Tri Series Cricket:
Reality is that if the top four don't do a lot of the batting, then you're rarely going to win.
I think one thing this season has shown is that, if he gets going, de Grandhomme is our most destructive batsman along with Munro. Don't know whether that's because he's in a rich vein of form or his batting really has gone to a new level, but it looks like the latter. Regardless, why wouldn't you use him? I can't see any point in batting him lower than five and I'd float him to four if we don't lose early wickets.
Then you need a few people who can ice the cake and make sure we win unless we've fallen in a heap at the top (if we have the game is gone so we just take our bitter medicine). To me (on an admittedly small sample) - Blundell looks a bit like a nurdler, where I reckon you want someone who can hit powerfully. I'd be inclined to go with the Baron's suggestion of Seifert - who I haven't really seen, but he scored the third most runs in the Super Smash at a rate of 146, so he appears to be able to hold a bat.
Southee at seven, Santner at eight - Sodhi, Boult, Ferguson.
Like NQ I'm completely mystified why Ferguson isn't in the squad and Kitchen is. Last night you just knew that Colin's holding pattern for three overs wasn't going to cut the mustard (in fact, I couldn't see why we didn't follow the McCullum plan of just bowling out your best bowlers and leaving Colin and Munro to bowl the final three).
I completely agree with you. I think ideally in a T20, I think you generally want to pick your best five bowlers. We are lucky that all of our top five bowlers can do something with the bat (Boult can hit a fair few sixes). You need one of your top 4 to go big. De Grandhomme should probably be at five right now but I would rather have Anderson do that job long term.
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@chris-b said in Tri Series Cricket:
@kiwiinmelb People always get a bit excited - it is after all the Black Caps - so there's been long dry spells and you've got to drink heavily at the well while it's raining!
But, I don't think we're too far ahead of ourselves. We have got a good team - it's just that T20 is a bit of a crapshoot.
Notably, with three T20 losses we've fallen from first to third in the world, while with one win Australia has moved from seventh to fifth equal. In reality it is a joke to think that they would ever be seventh and behind e.g. the Windies.
Pretty much all the rankings are equally flimsy - neither Munro nor Sodhi have retained their number one rankings, while Santner has stolen the number one bowling crown.
I'd tend to think the IPL auction is a better indicator of rankings (albeit slanted towards playing in Indian conditions) and it would be pretty interesting to look at the market cap of the Oz team vs us. Someone like Warner or Lynn is probably going to earn more than all our guys together.
Have to admit, since I don't watch the Big Bash, Stanlake was a revelation to me. Bowling a bit like Mitchell Starc on steriods!
The thing people miss is that we play heaps of T20s and a high proportion of them have been at home in our summer. Of course, that is going to inflate our ranking. Australia play 5-6 home tests over a summer and often head off overseas in late March. They just don't have time for ten T20 internationals.
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@hydro11 said in Tri Series Cricket:
@gunner said in Tri Series Cricket:
@kiwimurph said in Tri Series Cricket:
Why the hell does CDG bat so low
Good question.
If Bruce is just there to be a hitter at 4 (which he is fucking failing at) put CDG there instead as he can hit it but he can also actually bat.
It's easy to be reactionary though. CdG averaged 14 in T20Is before today. Hardly the sign of someone who should be batting at 4.
Genuine question: what is Bruce averaging?
The disappointing thing about that result was with the exception of Bruce (and I'll admit I wouldn't know who to replace him with) I couldn't think of a better XI.
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@booboo Bruce is averaging 18.83.
Not really good enough when he's had the majority of his innings batting in the top 4.
Corey Anderson has done significantly better batting up the order - more runs and faster.
At present, I'd replace Bruce with Ferguson - change the balance of the team. (As above, I'd also try Seifert ahead of Blundell).
Interesting to see the TAB odds on this series - Oz 2.20; England 2.50; NZ 3.75.
We're significant outsiders now after one loss in a six match series where we get three home games.
Wish I'd looked before it started - anyone know our odds at the start?
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@hydro11 Disappointing, at least.
Those odds seem to be a bit of an indictment of our ranking, given that three wins should be enough to get you into the final and - if we make it - we're guaranteed a home final.
I might make my way down to the TAB and have a bit of a punt on us - if Hesson can guarantee me that he's not going to throw the Kitchen Sink at the Aussies!
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@chris-b said in Tri Series Cricket:
@booboo Bruce is averaging 18.83.
Not really good enough when he's had the majority of his innings batting in the top 4.
Corey Anderson has done significantly better batting up the order - more runs and faster.
At present, I'd replace Bruce with Ferguson - change the balance of the team. (As above, I'd also try Seifert ahead of Blundell).
Interesting to see the TAB odds on this series - Oz 2.20; England 2.50; NZ 3.75.
We're significant outsiders now after one loss in a six match series where we get three home games.
Wish I'd looked before it started - anyone know our odds at the start?
Nine showed dome Aussie odds last night. Think it was something like 2.25 Aussie, 2.80 each NZ and England. But don't quote me.
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@chris-b said in Tri Series Cricket:
@hydro11 Disappointing, at least.
Those odds seem to be a bit of an indictment of our ranking, given that three wins should be enough to get you into the final and - if we make it - we're guaranteed a home final.
I might make my way down to the TAB and have a bit of a punt on us - if Hesson can guarantee me that he's not going to throw the Kitchen Sink at the Aussies!
Dad joke perfection in this post if you look hard enough
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@mn5 said in Tri Series Cricket:
@chris-b said in Tri Series Cricket:
@hydro11 Disappointing, at least.
Those odds seem to be a bit of an indictment of our ranking, given that three wins should be enough to get you into the final and - if we make it - we're guaranteed a home final.
I might make my way down to the TAB and have a bit of a punt on us - if Hesson can guarantee me that he's not going to throw the Kitchen Sink at the Aussies!
Dad joke perfection in this post if you look hard enough
Don't haved to look that hard ...
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