Black Caps vs Windies Series
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@snowy said in Black Caps vs Windies Test Series:
@chris-b said in Black Caps vs Windies Test Series:
so usually only have a handful of runs to knock off if they're batting 4th.
Not following you there? These are the highest chases so the over 300's, etc in the fourth innings and a lot of them won the game with only 4 or 5 down. As I said how many more would they have made if the match wasn't over?
So yes, agree that stats don't tell the whole story about run chases. Time remaining is also a factor that isn't covered in the stats.
Just talking about tests, in general. When e.g. Oz plays Zimbabwe, they're not going to get a chance to make any sort of substantive 4th innings score.
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Satnav gets the last two with consecutive balls to improve his test average.
Timmy won't be amused when he reviews the previous over. He got smacked for two sixes and change, but one of the other balls brushed the toe end of the bat and was caught behind, but not given and not reviewed.
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seriously noncompetitive start to the Australasian cricketing summer
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I'm not 100% convinced the ball did hit the bat, or that there was evidence to give the batsmen out. The big white mark on hotspot was from the bat hitting the ground.
NZ did as expected in this series, winning 2-0 with neither test going into the 5th day. The Windies will be much better in the short-forms.
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Trent Boult is the Sixth Best left arm pace bowler of all time going on number of test wickets.
Wasim Akram (PAK), 414 wickets, 23.62 Average
WPUJC Vaas (SL), 355, 29.58
MG Johnson (AUS), 313, 28.40
Z Khan (INDIA), 311, 32.94
GS Sobers (WI), 235, 34.03
TA Boult (NZ), 200, 28.56 -
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@bovidae said in Black Caps vs Windies Test Series:
I'm not 100% convinced the ball did hit the bat, or that there was evidence to give the batsmen out. The big white mark on hotspot was from the bat hitting the ground.
NZ did as expected in this series, winning 2-0 with neither test going into the 5th day. The Windies will be much better in the short-forms.
Timely as I was watching this today. Not saying your doubts are in this league but by Christ it still rankles - we had them on toast.
Sorry for the distraction but someone mentioned competitive tests
9 minutes in (if you like hitting your knob with a hammer repeatedly)
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@mn5 said in Black Caps vs Windies Test Series:
Some impressive names on that list.....
Not really. It surprises me that Left Arm fast/seam bowlers are very under-represented. I'd guess only Akram would make a top 20 of all time list out of those guys.
There are some good but not great middling bowlers on that list. Although lots of cricket bowling lists are getting like that tbh due to the shear number of tests played in modern cricket (surprising given how much we moan about lack of tests).
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@rapido said in Black Caps vs Windies Test Series:
@mn5 said in Black Caps vs Windies Test Series:
Some impressive names on that list.....
Not really. It surprises me that Left Arm fast/seam bowlers are very under-represented. I'd guess only Akram would make a top 20 of all time list out of those guys.
There are some good but not great middling bowlers on that list. Although lots of cricket bowling lists are getting like that tbh due to the shear number of tests played in modern cricket (surprising given how much we moan about lack of tests).
Wasim is a dead set all time great but the others are all pretty good. I hear Sobers could bat a bit too.
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@mn5 said in Black Caps vs Windies Test Series:
@rapido said in Black Caps vs Windies Test Series:
@mn5 said in Black Caps vs Windies Test Series:
Some impressive names on that list.....
Not really. It surprises me that Left Arm fast/seam bowlers are very under-represented. I'd guess only Akram would make a top 20 of all time list out of those guys.
There are some good but not great middling bowlers on that list. Although lots of cricket bowling lists are getting like that tbh due to the shear number of tests played in modern cricket (surprising given how much we moan about lack of tests).
Wasim is a dead set all time great but the others are all pretty good. I hear Sobers could bat a bit too.
My point being. If you did a top 20 of all time batsmen list left-handers would be well over-represented.
My point being. If you did a top 20 of all time bowlers list left-handers would be well under-represented.
That list above included only 1 all time great bowler (Wasim). The rest of them, by all-times standards are fairly mediocre. This surprised me, that there are so few prolific left arm fast bowlers in cricket history.
Full list:
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@rapido said in Black Caps vs Windies Test Series:
@mn5 said in Black Caps vs Windies Test Series:
@rapido said in Black Caps vs Windies Test Series:
@mn5 said in Black Caps vs Windies Test Series:
Some impressive names on that list.....
Not really. It surprises me that Left Arm fast/seam bowlers are very under-represented. I'd guess only Akram would make a top 20 of all time list out of those guys.
There are some good but not great middling bowlers on that list. Although lots of cricket bowling lists are getting like that tbh due to the shear number of tests played in modern cricket (surprising given how much we moan about lack of tests).
Wasim is a dead set all time great but the others are all pretty good. I hear Sobers could bat a bit too.
My point being. If you did a top 20 of all time batsmen list left-handers would be well over-represented.
My point being. If you did a top 20 of all time bowlers list left-handers would be well under-represented.
That list above included only 1 all time great bowler (Wasim). The rest of them, by all-times standards are fairly mediocre. This surprised me, that there are so few prolific left arm fast bowlers in cricket history.
Full list:
I guess the LBW law hurts left-arm pace bowlers in that regard, while helping left hand batsmen. Wasim and Boult negate it by being able to swing the ball in to right handers. But if your not swinging the ball it makes it difficult to get many batsmen trapped in front.
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@pakman said in Black Caps vs Windies Test Series:
Noticed the batting point some time ago. Put it down to bowlers getting much less practice to lefties.
As for bowling, list would suggest some mechanical disadvantage bowling left arm to righties.
I think lefties are pretty proportionately represented in the bowling stats, it's just batsmen that are wildly over represented (I think it's about 10% of the population and 50% of batsmen.
I think it's much rarer to have left arm bowlers because bowling action is quite awkward to learn and I suspect most lefties probably get coached to bowl right handed.
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@rapido said in Black Caps vs Windies Test Series:
@mn5 said in Black Caps vs Windies Test Series:
@rapido said in Black Caps vs Windies Test Series:
@mn5 said in Black Caps vs Windies Test Series:
Some impressive names on that list.....
Not really. It surprises me that Left Arm fast/seam bowlers are very under-represented. I'd guess only Akram would make a top 20 of all time list out of those guys.
There are some good but not great middling bowlers on that list. Although lots of cricket bowling lists are getting like that tbh due to the shear number of tests played in modern cricket (surprising given how much we moan about lack of tests).
Wasim is a dead set all time great but the others are all pretty good. I hear Sobers could bat a bit too.
My point being. If you did a top 20 of all time batsmen list left-handers would be well over-represented.
My point being. If you did a top 20 of all time bowlers list left-handers would be well under-represented.
That list above included only 1 all time great bowler (Wasim). The rest of them, by all-times standards are fairly mediocre. This surprised me, that there are so few prolific left arm fast bowlers in cricket history.
Full list:
Mediocre is a bit rough, they were all pretty decent in their respective eras. Johnson in particular played in an era where under 30 is considered bloody good. I do hear your 'all time' argument though.
This bloke would have trumped the lot if only he played a couple more tests. Outstanding record....
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@cyclops said in Black Caps vs Windies Test Series:
I think it's much rarer to have left arm bowlers because bowling action is quite awkward to learn and I suspect most lefties probably get coached to bowl right handed.
no way.
I don't believe that at all. -
Speaking as a leftie, who used to open the bowling when I played, I always preferred to bowl around the wicket rather than over to right-handed batsmen. The natural arm action means you swing the ball into the batsmen and if you can move the ball away off the pitch all the better. Obviously that isn't the conventional way but it worked for me.
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