Black Caps vs Windies Series
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@chris-b said in Black Caps vs Windies Test Series:
@siam Interestingly, if you compare BJ's batting record with Nicholls' - since Nicholls started (i.e.against the same opposition) - they're pretty similar.
I'd stick with Nicholls, since we're going to need a replacement for Rossco in the not too distant future, and I quite like that he has made scores against South Africa and Australia. He's not stellar, but he can bat.
I agree. Nicholls technique is not perfect, but I like him because he's shown he has what it takes mentally, which is something you can't really teach. As he develops he will (hopefully) iron out any technical deficiencies. I'm pretty hopeful he can end up averaging 40+ which is very good by our standards.
I would be much happier with BJ coming out at 6 than Santner, but we've discussed that already and haven't really come up with any satisfactory answers on that - if he's not in the side then we need someone better than CdG or our bowling options will be severely limited.
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@jk said in Black Caps vs Windies Test Series:
Well that didnt take long.
Boult picks up 2 wickets (both bowled) in 2 balls in his 2nd over and now change of innings.Black caps 152 ahead
You know the team is doing well when Wagner has the worst figures.
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@no-quarter said in Black Caps vs Windies Test Series:
@chris-b said in Black Caps vs Windies Test Series:
@siam Interestingly, if you compare BJ's batting record with Nicholls' - since Nicholls started (i.e.against the same opposition) - they're pretty similar.
I'd stick with Nicholls, since we're going to need a replacement for Rossco in the not too distant future, and I quite like that he has made scores against South Africa and Australia. He's not stellar, but he can bat.
I agree. Nicholls technique is not perfect, but I like him because he's shown he has what it takes mentally, which is something you can't really teach. As he develops he will (hopefully) iron out any technical deficiencies. I'm pretty hopeful he can end up averaging 40+ which is very good by our standards.
I would be much happier with BJ coming out at 6 than Santner, but we've discussed that already and haven't really come up with any satisfactory answers on that - if he's not in the side then we need someone better than CdG or our bowling options will be severely limited.
CDG snuck a cheeky 2/40 which was handy but is that down to how crap the windies are ? Probably.
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@no-quarter Yeah the top 6 looks a lot more solid with BJ batting at six and given the relative quality of our top four (compared to what we've often had during the past 25 years) he's probably not going to have to keep and then quickly be out there batting too often (and currently Santner's not going to buy him too much additional time anyway).
BJ at six, CDGH at seven (or Anderson or Neesham if either of those two can supplant Colin), Santner at eight looks the best order to me.
The commentators were also saying that Southee has been working on becoming a more reliable batsman, which would be extremely handy if it came to fruition. Hesson appears to be sticking a bit of a needle into Timmy by promoting Wagner ahead of him!
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@chris-b said in Black Caps vs Windies Test Series:
@no-quarter Yeah the top 6 looks a lot more solid with BJ batting at six and given the relative quality of our top four (compared to what we've often had during the past 25 years) he's probably not going to have to keep and then quickly be out there batting too often (and currently Santner's not going to buy him too much additional time anyway).
BJ at six, CDGH at seven (or Anderson or Neesham if either of those two can supplant Colin), Santner at eight looks the best order to me.
The commentators were also saying that Southee has been working on becoming a more reliable batsman, which would be extremely handy if it came to fruition. Hesson appears to be sticking a bit of a needle into Timmy by promoting Wagner ahead of him!
I think Southee would be in ahead of Wagner whenever quick runs are required and Boult has also shown he's far from the worst number 11.
By Black Caps standards a top 6 of Raval, Latham, KW, Rossco, Nicholls and Watling could be damn near our best of all time. ( seriously )
Throw in a pretty bloody useful pace attack and we're quite within our rights to expect this bunch to pummel the windies.
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@chris-b so why have they decided now is a good time to get Southee to change his approach? He's batted that way for years!
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@taniwharugby said in Black Caps vs Windies Test Series:
@chris-b so why have they decided now is a good time to get Southee to change his approach? He's batted that way for years!
He does get a bit of stick for someone who is a 'bowler who can bat'. If it comes off he is really effective on his day.
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@mn5 That top 6 would be competitive with anything we've had. I'd lean towards the six from the mid-80s - Wright, Edgar, Reid, Crowe, Coney, Crowe, but the only other time we'd have had something comparable would have been some of the combos that included the likes of Rigor, Fleming, Astle , Styris - and it's possible those four never played together.
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@taniwharugby No idea - but, it's long past time!
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@chris-b said in Black Caps vs Windies Test Series:
@mn5 That top 6 would be competitive with anything we've had. I'd lean towards the six from the mid-80s - Wright, Edgar, Reid, Crowe, Coney, Crowe, but the only other time we'd have had something comparable would have been some of the combos that included the likes of Rigor, Fleming, Astle , Styris - and it's possible those four never played together.
JJ Crowe and Edgar were pretty ordinary test players overall. Surely Jones is a better fit?
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@taniwharugby said in Black Caps vs Windies Test Series:
@chris-b so why have they decided now is a good time to get Southee to change his approach? He's batted that way for years!
The incessant whinging on the Fern is finally paying dividends!
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@no-quarter said in Black Caps vs Windies Test Series:
@taniwharugby said in Black Caps vs Windies Test Series:
@chris-b so why have they decided now is a good time to get Southee to change his approach? He's batted that way for years!
The incessant whinging on the Fern is finally paying dividends!
If only he could be an all rounder like Doug Bracewell.
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@chris-b said in Black Caps vs Windies Test Series:
@mn5 Jones didn't play in that era, though.
Edgar was a lot more valuable than his average suggests. Chopper was the weak link.
Yeah I suppose he was especially for that era. Not many David Warners around. Wright and Edgar are probably still the best pair we've had.
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@chris-b said in Black Caps vs Windies Test Series:
@mn5 I'd be interested to see the average number of balls Edgar faced per innings. He had a lot of lowish scores where he batted quite a long time.
Yeah he did a great job in terms of occupying the crease as I recall. Jeff Thomson sledged him and said he'd never die of a stroke.
