NBA Season 2017/18
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@mariner4life I’ve never warmed to LBJ either, but over the past two seasons my view has changed. He’s a phenomenal player that can get whatever he wants on the offensive end. He’s shooting 60% because he works so damn hard getting to the hole.
That Sixers game where the Cavs were down big and he got them back was one of the best games this year from a superstar taking over a game perspective.
Cavs are rubbish on the interior D and so won’t go far I reckon.
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@mariner4life said in NBA Season 2017/18:
What a surprise to hear Russ stat padding, how unlike him...
@raznomore said in NBA Season 2017/18:
@bovidae im an OKC man, before that I was a Sonics man. However, Russell Westbrook, for all his athleticism is a selfish, glory hunting ass. He does amazing things but for me its all overshadowed by his need for the spotlight. I saw him box out his own players today. he fot 20 fucken rebounds today. His centre could be challenging for rebounder of the year but instead Westbrook is getting gimmes to over Shadow the Big O who got his triple doubles fairly. Last year seemed mostly legit but this season hes taking the piss.
What a load of crap. The hating on Westbrook over this is fucking ludicrous and so cliche. For a start basically everyone in the NBA stat pads. But as long as they do it within an effective system it is not an issue. Westbrook grabs defensive boards as it is the PROVEN best way for them to generate offense. All the stats back this up, his team mates and coach assert it and support it. If anyone here can point out how him grabbing the defensive boards is a net negative ti the team, point it out. The OKC defense has mitigated the fact that he sags in for them because they believe it is of benefit, and the statistics have proven them correct.
The big O got his triple doubles 'fairly'?
How many of his games during his triple double season did you watch?? I saw zero... how many did you see? You are the one saying it was fair. And while you are at it... define 'fair' because it sounds like mealy mouthed bullshit whining to me.
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@baron-silas-greenback don't hold back...
3pt line. Oscar didn't play in an era where this was a factor. The players crowded around the basket and rebounds were contested by many on almost every play. You did not have todays situation where players fuck off down court, as quickly as they do now, after an errant 3pt shot and 2 defending fowards box out for the point to take the rebound. It was heavy traffic all the time.
No zone defence. players played 1 on 1 all game every game so again the defensive spacing that we see now that forces placers to look to score from outside the arc or at least not directly under the basket.
The defensive 3 second rule. Big O didn't have this either which again meant defensive players would crowd the key and make offensive rebound very difficult.
I don't doubt that there were times when Robertsons team mates suggested they leave the rebound for him. But simply knowing how the game was played then to know suggests Roberston had to fight more for rebounds.
OKC is the team I follow and the Sonics before that. So I examine them more than other teams and there are going to be other players that stat pad for sure but my gripe is with a player on my team. As I said last season it seemed mostly legit but if you look at these videos hes hogging rebounds and boxing out his own players, That is bullshit. There's one rebound where he boxes out Melo and then another where Pg has it covered and he snatches it away...and there were no opposing players around.
Totally gets the offense going, most of the time. But the amount of times this season I have seen him take a stat away from a player to suit his box score is shit.
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Wizards score a more then respectable 58 in the first half of game 2.
And still trail the Raptors by 18
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@raznomore said in NBA Season 2017/18:
@baron-silas-greenback don't hold back...
3pt line. Oscar didn't play in an era where this was a factor. The players crowded around the basket and rebounds were contested by many on almost every play. You did not have todays situation where players fuck off down court, as quickly as they do now, after an errant 3pt shot and 2 defending fowards box out for the point to take the rebound. It was heavy traffic all the time.
No zone defence. players played 1 on 1 all game every game so again the defensive spacing that we see now that forces placers to look to score from outside the arc or at least not directly under the basket.
The defensive 3 second rule. Big O didn't have this either which again meant defensive players would crowd the key and make offensive rebound very difficult.
I don't doubt that there were times when Robertsons team mates suggested they leave the rebound for him. But simply knowing how the game was played then to know suggests Roberston had to fight more for rebounds.
OKC is the team I follow and the Sonics before that. So I examine them more than other teams and there are going to be other players that stat pad for sure but my gripe is with a player on my team. As I said last season it seemed mostly legit but if you look at these videos hes hogging rebounds and boxing out his own players, That is bullshit. There's one rebound where he boxes out Melo and then another where Pg has it covered and he snatches it away...and there were no opposing players around.
Totally gets the offense going, most of the time. But the amount of times this season I have seen him take a stat away from a player to suit his box score is shit.
Different rules for different eras does not in any way make anything unfair, there are pros and cons to both.
As for videos. they do precisely nothing to support your argument. You have provided no facts to back your assertion that Westbrook getting those rebounds is a bad thing. It isn't.. it is a good thing for the team. The stats back that up. The Thunder have better offense when he rebounds, and they win more when he gets a triple double.
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I'll do precisley that when you show me where in my original post, that you so vigorously jumped on, that I said it was to the detriment of his team?
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Pelicans win another on the road to take a stranglehold on their series.
Didn't get to watch today obviously (stupid work) but the box score looks like their best players are playing huge minutes this series.
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@mariner4life The best thing that could have happened to the Pelicans this season was Boogies injury. I don't think he was "bad for the team" but they seemed to struggle to find team chemistry. AD is just balling out.
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Watched the last quarter of Pels/Blazers. The thing that surprised me was the lack of big plays by Davis down the stretch - it was all Holiday, Rondo and Mirotic.
Don't think they are good enough to knock off the Warriors, but they will probably pinch a game or two from them.
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@barbarian Im surprised by Rondo this season. He is pretty much back to his Boston form.
Im more surprised by the Blazers inability to cope. They were looking the business late in the season.
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Some role player called James is having a whale of a time. 29 in the first half.
Why aren't his shoulders wrecked from carrying that team?
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@mariner4life said in NBA Season 2017/18:
Some role player called James is having a whale of a time. 29 in the first half.
Why aren't his shoulders wrecked from carrying that team?
Could he actually be the best ever? I used to watch a lot of Jordan and thought no one would ever get near him in terms of being so dominate.
I don't watch a lot now so can't offer a real opinion on James.
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slight aside, I'm taking the kids to the Harlem Globetrotters tonight. Looking forward to it, it's supposed to be wildly entertaining.
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Jazz were good today. OKC pushed too many passes and took too many high risk shots. Steven Adams fouled out way too early and although some of those fouls were soft he needs to be better next game. When he leaves Melo is then required to defend to a level that you would expect from a future HOF but he just isn't good enough and it showed. He's old gotta cut him slack. Brewer really needs to be that other elite defender and TBH thats what he was signed for. Just not getting that from him though. Really missing Roberson in these types of Games.
That said, Gobert & Rubio played well and Mitchell is insane for a rookie. 20pt average for a rookie and the way he scores is phenom material.
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Impressive win by the 76ers in Miami. Was close for the first three quarters but they blew out the Heat in the 4th.
At their best they can beat anyone. Embiid was back and he's just a freak, and Simmons had one of those games where he looked a bit below his best but then you see his stat line and he's got 18-10-7. And they have so much depth. Big game from Saric today, and Bellinelli couldn't miss.
I'm still not sold on them winning the conference, but man they can put a quarter together when they want to.
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Curry's not playing, and still the Spurs are going to get swept.
They might have had a hard time focusing today though.
