Harvey Weinstein
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@rancid-schnitzel said in Harvey Weinstein:
@crucial said in Harvey Weinstein:
@Rancid-Schnitzel where on earth do you get that they turned a blind eye? I'm happy to accept your argument if if has some proof behind it but this is just joining dots.
Are you serious?
Yes. Your whole rant was based on something you are stating as fact but is an assumption.
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@no-quarter said in Harvey Weinstein:
@booboo said in Harvey Weinstein:
How does this get to be a Republicans v Democrats debate?
Seriously.
It's a "is it ok to be a maggot because he's got money and influence?" v. "Should people be decent human beings?" debate?
Hold on, I never said anything about this being a "Republicans v Democrats" issue. As @canefan says there are many examples of the Republicans taking money from dodgy sources as well, and I'm sure you could make a thread about that too. That doesn't mean this isn't a political issue though - if we really think this has nothing to do with politics then why is this thread sitting in the politics sub-forum?
To me, and @Catogrande's example of Saville also proves this, is that this type of thing is exactly what is wrong with politics. We have these people running for positions of power, preaching moral values to gain our votes, but at the same time are in bed with morally reprehensible people. I know this is nothing new in politics, we all suspect it, but when we get clear evidence that this is the case then we should be calling it out as loudly as possible.
In this specific example, it is the Democratic party of the USA that is clearly in bed with absolute scumbag Hollywood elites. This is not OK, these people hold positions of power that impact the entire world, and they are being influenced by people that you and I would not want anything to do with.
So yeah, in summary this obviously isn't a left vs right debate (though in this case it is the left caught with their pants down), but it absolutely is deeply political.
One scumbag. And when his scumminess has come to attention they have rounded on him.
If you want some whataboutery then think back to how many Trumpites rounded on him after his scumminess came to attention.I think people are going well out of their way to join this to the divisive political situation.
As I said. If there is evidence that the Dems cuddled up to him in full knowledge of this behaviour then I'm happy to accept the point.
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As The World Turns.
A half-day ago, Harvey was supposedly in the air flying to Europe for rehab.
Then an hour ago, his brother Bob called Harvey "a very sick man" and said he hasn't gone.
Just now, TMZ is reporting LAPD were called by Harvey's daughter reporting ol' Harv is suicidal.
I see a movie here. (Made for TV.)
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@rancid-schnitzel said in Harvey Weinstein:
@crucial said in Harvey Weinstein:
@rancid-schnitzel said in Harvey Weinstein:
@crucial said in Harvey Weinstein:
@Rancid-Schnitzel where on earth do you get that they turned a blind eye? I'm happy to accept your argument if if has some proof behind it but this is just joining dots.
Are you serious?
Yes. Your whole rant was based on something you are stating as fact but is an assumption.
Oh fuck off Crucial. There is more than enough info out there. You seriously think nobody knew about it?
Back it up. More than enough info? Find it and show it.
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@crucial said in Harvey Weinstein:
One scumbag.
Are you talkin' about ol' Harv, or Ben Affleck? Or now Jimmy Kimmel? Skeletons are falling out of the closet today, expect a tsumani of names & finger-pointing and "worst kept secrets" to become exposed at any second. Ya think that Batman tentpole opening in a month might be a wee bit worried this morning?
As I said. If there is evidence that the Dems cuddled up to him in full knowledge of this behaviour then I'm happy to accept the point.
CNN Senior White House correspondent Jeff Zeleny, today:
"Largely, it was an open secret, though, in all these circles, his behavior. And the reality is, California is the biggest and most flush ATM for Democratic politics in this country. He stood at the center of that. Nancy Pelosi, add her name to this list as well. She put out a very short statement on this. But the reality is, most of the leaders of the Democratic Party are beholden to him, have been beholden to him, and she still is the leader of the House Democrats here. Why not get out and give an interview, give a press conference? I mean, they have personal relationships with Harvey Weinstein. This is hypocrisy this week, no doubt. Because this was not a secret.”
(I hope we're in agreement that CNN isn't exactly known as a conservative and/or Republican house organ or cohort.)
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@crucial said in Harvey Weinstein:
@no-quarter said in Harvey Weinstein:
@booboo said in Harvey Weinstein:
How does this get to be a Republicans v Democrats debate?
Seriously.
It's a "is it ok to be a maggot because he's got money and influence?" v. "Should people be decent human beings?" debate?
Hold on, I never said anything about this being a "Republicans v Democrats" issue. As @canefan says there are many examples of the Republicans taking money from dodgy sources as well, and I'm sure you could make a thread about that too. That doesn't mean this isn't a political issue though - if we really think this has nothing to do with politics then why is this thread sitting in the politics sub-forum?
To me, and @Catogrande's example of Saville also proves this, is that this type of thing is exactly what is wrong with politics. We have these people running for positions of power, preaching moral values to gain our votes, but at the same time are in bed with morally reprehensible people. I know this is nothing new in politics, we all suspect it, but when we get clear evidence that this is the case then we should be calling it out as loudly as possible.
In this specific example, it is the Democratic party of the USA that is clearly in bed with absolute scumbag Hollywood elites. This is not OK, these people hold positions of power that impact the entire world, and they are being influenced by people that you and I would not want anything to do with.
So yeah, in summary this obviously isn't a left vs right debate (though in this case it is the left caught with their pants down), but it absolutely is deeply political.
One scumbag. And when his scumminess has come to attention they have rounded on him.
If you want some whataboutery then think back to how many Trumpites rounded on him after his scumminess came to attention.I think people are going well out of their way to join this to the divisive political situation.
As I said. If there is evidence that the Dems cuddled up to him in full knowledge of this behaviour then I'm happy to accept the point.
I think it would be incredibly naive to think they had no idea of his behaviour. And incredibly naive to think they haven't accepted donations from other morally reprehensible people. And also incredibly naive to think the Republicans don't do the same.
I'm not really disagreeing with you. There will be people that will latch onto this and make it a left vs right debate, especially given the current climate of finger pointing. Just want to point out that that's not what I'm trying to do here - this is an issue across the political spectrum. It just seems you guys are more content with blatant hypocrisy than I am because "everyone does it".
All I ask for is politicians at least try to be consistent with their values - and it's the public that should be trying to hold them accountable. Screaming about Trump's obvious moral issues while doing exactly the same thing yourself reeks to high heaven.
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@crucial said in Harvey Weinstein:
Back it up. More than enough info? Find it and show it.
If it is meant to be that obvious as you are stating then show me and I'll accept your point.I find it highly amusing that many actresses are now going on record stating it was an open secret and that they were warned about Harvey the minute they got into the business, yet we're supposed to believe that close friends and associates who were by his side for three decades are shocked-shocked there's gambling going on in the casino. Doesn't pass the laugh-test.
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Seth MacFarlane just commented about his Weinstein zinger at the 2013 Oscar ceremony:
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@crucial said in Harvey Weinstein:
@no-quarter said in Harvey Weinstein:
@booboo said in Harvey Weinstein:
How does this get to be a Republicans v Democrats debate?
Seriously.
It's a "is it ok to be a maggot because he's got money and influence?" v. "Should people be decent human beings?" debate?
Hold on, I never said anything about this being a "Republicans v Democrats" issue. As @canefan says there are many examples of the Republicans taking money from dodgy sources as well, and I'm sure you could make a thread about that too. That doesn't mean this isn't a political issue though - if we really think this has nothing to do with politics then why is this thread sitting in the politics sub-forum?
To me, and @Catogrande's example of Saville also proves this, is that this type of thing is exactly what is wrong with politics. We have these people running for positions of power, preaching moral values to gain our votes, but at the same time are in bed with morally reprehensible people. I know this is nothing new in politics, we all suspect it, but when we get clear evidence that this is the case then we should be calling it out as loudly as possible.
In this specific example, it is the Democratic party of the USA that is clearly in bed with absolute scumbag Hollywood elites. This is not OK, these people hold positions of power that impact the entire world, and they are being influenced by people that you and I would not want anything to do with.
So yeah, in summary this obviously isn't a left vs right debate (though in this case it is the left caught with their pants down), but it absolutely is deeply political.
One scumbag. And when his scumminess has come to attention they have rounded on him.
If you want some whataboutery then think back to how many Trumpites rounded on him after his scumminess came to attention.I think people are going well out of their way to join this to the divisive political situation.
As I said. If there is evidence that the Dems cuddled up to him in full knowledge of this behaviour then I'm happy to accept the point.
The Oscars, the Emmies, even the fucking MTV awards were turned into an anti-Trump shit fest. And now you're bitching and moaning about things becoming political.
For me this has nothing to do with Republicans or Trump but everything to do with the appalling hypocrisy of those preaching SJW piston wristed gibbons from Hollywood.
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@rancid-schnitzel said in Harvey Weinstein:
@crucial said in Harvey Weinstein:
@no-quarter said in Harvey Weinstein:
@booboo said in Harvey Weinstein:
How does this get to be a Republicans v Democrats debate?
Seriously.
It's a "is it ok to be a maggot because he's got money and influence?" v. "Should people be decent human beings?" debate?
Hold on, I never said anything about this being a "Republicans v Democrats" issue. As @canefan says there are many examples of the Republicans taking money from dodgy sources as well, and I'm sure you could make a thread about that too. That doesn't mean this isn't a political issue though - if we really think this has nothing to do with politics then why is this thread sitting in the politics sub-forum?
To me, and @Catogrande's example of Saville also proves this, is that this type of thing is exactly what is wrong with politics. We have these people running for positions of power, preaching moral values to gain our votes, but at the same time are in bed with morally reprehensible people. I know this is nothing new in politics, we all suspect it, but when we get clear evidence that this is the case then we should be calling it out as loudly as possible.
In this specific example, it is the Democratic party of the USA that is clearly in bed with absolute scumbag Hollywood elites. This is not OK, these people hold positions of power that impact the entire world, and they are being influenced by people that you and I would not want anything to do with.
So yeah, in summary this obviously isn't a left vs right debate (though in this case it is the left caught with their pants down), but it absolutely is deeply political.
One scumbag. And when his scumminess has come to attention they have rounded on him.
If you want some whataboutery then think back to how many Trumpites rounded on him after his scumminess came to attention.I think people are going well out of their way to join this to the divisive political situation.
As I said. If there is evidence that the Dems cuddled up to him in full knowledge of this behaviour then I'm happy to accept the point.
The Oscars, the Emmies, even the fucking MTV awards were turned into an anti-Trump shit fest. And now you're bitching and moaning about things becoming political.
For me this has nothing to do with Republicans or Trump but everything to do with the appalling hypocrisy of those preaching SJW piston wristed gibbons from Hollywood.
Maybe I’m even more simple than I thought, but I thought this was about some bloke called Harvey Weinstein.
As for the rest of it. A pile of various wrongs still isn’t adding up to a right.
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@salacious-crumb I'm not sure how that answers my question.
@salacious-crumb said in Harvey Weinstein:
Ben Affleck is getting dragged into this for his own, ummm, indiscretions... and maybe with underage girls?
(Rose McGowan must be their worse nightmare about now...)
We've known for quite some time that Ben was a virtue signalling hypocrite. His mealy mouthed apology is a disgrace.
@rancid-schnitzel said in Harvey Weinstein:
For me this has nothing to do with Republicans or Trump but everything to do with the appalling hypocrisy of those preaching SJW piston wristed gibbons from Hollywood.
On that we definitely agree: Congratulations, you can stand where the director told you to and repeat some lines someone else wrote. You're entirely a better person than me. Please continue preaching so that I may be worthy..
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@donsteppa said in Harvey Weinstein:
@rancid-schnitzel said in Harvey Weinstein:
@crucial said in Harvey Weinstein:
@no-quarter said in Harvey Weinstein:
@booboo said in Harvey Weinstein:
How does this get to be a Republicans v Democrats debate?
Seriously.
It's a "is it ok to be a maggot because he's got money and influence?" v. "Should people be decent human beings?" debate?
Hold on, I never said anything about this being a "Republicans v Democrats" issue. As @canefan says there are many examples of the Republicans taking money from dodgy sources as well, and I'm sure you could make a thread about that too. That doesn't mean this isn't a political issue though - if we really think this has nothing to do with politics then why is this thread sitting in the politics sub-forum?
To me, and @Catogrande's example of Saville also proves this, is that this type of thing is exactly what is wrong with politics. We have these people running for positions of power, preaching moral values to gain our votes, but at the same time are in bed with morally reprehensible people. I know this is nothing new in politics, we all suspect it, but when we get clear evidence that this is the case then we should be calling it out as loudly as possible.
In this specific example, it is the Democratic party of the USA that is clearly in bed with absolute scumbag Hollywood elites. This is not OK, these people hold positions of power that impact the entire world, and they are being influenced by people that you and I would not want anything to do with.
So yeah, in summary this obviously isn't a left vs right debate (though in this case it is the left caught with their pants down), but it absolutely is deeply political.
One scumbag. And when his scumminess has come to attention they have rounded on him.
If you want some whataboutery then think back to how many Trumpites rounded on him after his scumminess came to attention.I think people are going well out of their way to join this to the divisive political situation.
As I said. If there is evidence that the Dems cuddled up to him in full knowledge of this behaviour then I'm happy to accept the point.
The Oscars, the Emmies, even the fucking MTV awards were turned into an anti-Trump shit fest. And now you're bitching and moaning about things becoming political.
For me this has nothing to do with Republicans or Trump but everything to do with the appalling hypocrisy of those preaching SJW piston wristed gibbons from Hollywood.
Maybe I’m even more simple than I thought, but I thought this was about some bloke called Harvey Weinstein.
As for the rest of it. A pile of various wrongs still isn’t adding up to a right.
The connection has been explained multiple times. Try to keep up.
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@rancid-schnitzel said in Harvey Weinstein:
@donsteppa said in Harvey Weinstein:
@rancid-schnitzel said in Harvey Weinstein:
@crucial said in Harvey Weinstein:
@no-quarter said in Harvey Weinstein:
@booboo said in Harvey Weinstein:
How does this get to be a Republicans v Democrats debate?
Seriously.
It's a "is it ok to be a maggot because he's got money and influence?" v. "Should people be decent human beings?" debate?
Hold on, I never said anything about this being a "Republicans v Democrats" issue. As @canefan says there are many examples of the Republicans taking money from dodgy sources as well, and I'm sure you could make a thread about that too. That doesn't mean this isn't a political issue though - if we really think this has nothing to do with politics then why is this thread sitting in the politics sub-forum?
To me, and @Catogrande's example of Saville also proves this, is that this type of thing is exactly what is wrong with politics. We have these people running for positions of power, preaching moral values to gain our votes, but at the same time are in bed with morally reprehensible people. I know this is nothing new in politics, we all suspect it, but when we get clear evidence that this is the case then we should be calling it out as loudly as possible.
In this specific example, it is the Democratic party of the USA that is clearly in bed with absolute scumbag Hollywood elites. This is not OK, these people hold positions of power that impact the entire world, and they are being influenced by people that you and I would not want anything to do with.
So yeah, in summary this obviously isn't a left vs right debate (though in this case it is the left caught with their pants down), but it absolutely is deeply political.
One scumbag. And when his scumminess has come to attention they have rounded on him.
If you want some whataboutery then think back to how many Trumpites rounded on him after his scumminess came to attention.I think people are going well out of their way to join this to the divisive political situation.
As I said. If there is evidence that the Dems cuddled up to him in full knowledge of this behaviour then I'm happy to accept the point.
The Oscars, the Emmies, even the fucking MTV awards were turned into an anti-Trump shit fest. And now you're bitching and moaning about things becoming political.
For me this has nothing to do with Republicans or Trump but everything to do with the appalling hypocrisy of those preaching SJW piston wristed gibbons from Hollywood.
Maybe I’m even more simple than I thought, but I thought this was about some bloke called Harvey Weinstein.
As for the rest of it. A pile of various wrongs still isn’t adding up to a right.
The connection has been explained multiple times. Try to keep up.
The ‘but this fuckwit is a bigger fuckwit than that fuckwit’ is hopelessly moronic whataboutery.
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@donsteppa said in Harvey Weinstein:
@rancid-schnitzel said in Harvey Weinstein:
@donsteppa said in Harvey Weinstein:
@rancid-schnitzel said in Harvey Weinstein:
@crucial said in Harvey Weinstein:
@no-quarter said in Harvey Weinstein:
@booboo said in Harvey Weinstein:
How does this get to be a Republicans v Democrats debate?
Seriously.
It's a "is it ok to be a maggot because he's got money and influence?" v. "Should people be decent human beings?" debate?
Hold on, I never said anything about this being a "Republicans v Democrats" issue. As @canefan says there are many examples of the Republicans taking money from dodgy sources as well, and I'm sure you could make a thread about that too. That doesn't mean this isn't a political issue though - if we really think this has nothing to do with politics then why is this thread sitting in the politics sub-forum?
To me, and @Catogrande's example of Saville also proves this, is that this type of thing is exactly what is wrong with politics. We have these people running for positions of power, preaching moral values to gain our votes, but at the same time are in bed with morally reprehensible people. I know this is nothing new in politics, we all suspect it, but when we get clear evidence that this is the case then we should be calling it out as loudly as possible.
In this specific example, it is the Democratic party of the USA that is clearly in bed with absolute scumbag Hollywood elites. This is not OK, these people hold positions of power that impact the entire world, and they are being influenced by people that you and I would not want anything to do with.
So yeah, in summary this obviously isn't a left vs right debate (though in this case it is the left caught with their pants down), but it absolutely is deeply political.
One scumbag. And when his scumminess has come to attention they have rounded on him.
If you want some whataboutery then think back to how many Trumpites rounded on him after his scumminess came to attention.I think people are going well out of their way to join this to the divisive political situation.
As I said. If there is evidence that the Dems cuddled up to him in full knowledge of this behaviour then I'm happy to accept the point.
The Oscars, the Emmies, even the fucking MTV awards were turned into an anti-Trump shit fest. And now you're bitching and moaning about things becoming political.
For me this has nothing to do with Republicans or Trump but everything to do with the appalling hypocrisy of those preaching SJW piston wristed gibbons from Hollywood.
Maybe I’m even more simple than I thought, but I thought this was about some bloke called Harvey Weinstein.
As for the rest of it. A pile of various wrongs still isn’t adding up to a right.
The connection has been explained multiple times. Try to keep up.
The ‘but this fuckwit is a bigger fuckwit than that fuckwit’ is hopelessly moronic whataboutery.
You're clearly not even reading if that is your take. In fact that's pathetically simple.
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@dogmeat said in Harvey Weinstein:
It gets really tiresome so many threads being hijacked by Trump apologists
1 Hilary has publically stated that she is appalled by Weinstein and he should suffer full consequences of his actions
2 Yeah Hollywood majority is liberal but given the Sec State allegedly called Trump a moron why shouldn't an actor
3 Weinstein's abhorrent behavior doesn't excuse Trumps abhorrent behavior. There's plenty of allegations about him doing more than just grope but he's made to POTUS
4 Although it seems knowledge of Weinstein's behavior was indeed widespread politicians and political parties of all persuasions take money and endorsements from all manner of scumbags. Is it hypocritical to blame one when you have direct knowledge of the other and still cosy up to the second. Definitely but everyone's doing it - unfortunately.
5 The direct knowledge thing is interesting. Don't underestimate peoples ability to ignore stuff that with hindsight is obvious - not because of any benefit they receive - but because the facts are just too heinous for their mind to accept. Unfortunately I have some experience here. A guy once worked in one of my sites. He was an evil paedophile of the worst order. His workmates were defending him rigorously despite evidence to the contrary right up until he confessed because they could not believe someone they worked with and knew was a monster. I'm sure we've all had conversations like "wouldn't surprise me if X was done for Y" but we do nothing about it because we refuse to countenance reality and fall back to thinking he's a bit strange sure but No way. That's before you factor in the power and influence, money and lawyers and shit that Weinstein employed to ensure he could maintain a patina of respectability.Trump apologists? Well seen as you want to start throwing shite....
I find it incredibly tiresome about people bitching about a political angle being talked about a scandal in a POLITICS forum. It is not fucking rocket science... did you look at the title of the forum? Did you look at the title of the thread and think.. hey maybe the political angle might be discussed to this scandal? I am guessing not.. I assume you just jumped straight in and decided you would have a crack at restricting the discussion. Nearly every news article on this scandal has mentioned the Clintons and Obamas very close ties to Weinstein.. are they all Trump apologists as well?FFS we created this sub forum due to the loud and consistent bitching form the likes of you and those that liked your posts that politics was coming up in off topic thread way to much.. the fact you are still bitching just shows it was never really about keeping politics away from off topic and everything to do with making sure you don't have to read about politics you don't like.
Weinstein was heavily involved in politics, sexual misdemeanors are a relevant topic in US politics, Hollywood is a relevant topic in US politics, combine all those things together and you have very relevant US politics talking point. It is not hijacking just because you don't want to discuss it.. although you then discussed it.. which would have been funny if it hadn't been so stupid,
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@donsteppa said in Harvey Weinstein:
@rancid-schnitzel said in Harvey Weinstein:
@donsteppa said in Harvey Weinstein:
@rancid-schnitzel said in Harvey Weinstein:
@crucial said in Harvey Weinstein:
@no-quarter said in Harvey Weinstein:
@booboo said in Harvey Weinstein:
How does this get to be a Republicans v Democrats debate?
Seriously.
It's a "is it ok to be a maggot because he's got money and influence?" v. "Should people be decent human beings?" debate?
Hold on, I never said anything about this being a "Republicans v Democrats" issue. As @canefan says there are many examples of the Republicans taking money from dodgy sources as well, and I'm sure you could make a thread about that too. That doesn't mean this isn't a political issue though - if we really think this has nothing to do with politics then why is this thread sitting in the politics sub-forum?
To me, and @Catogrande's example of Saville also proves this, is that this type of thing is exactly what is wrong with politics. We have these people running for positions of power, preaching moral values to gain our votes, but at the same time are in bed with morally reprehensible people. I know this is nothing new in politics, we all suspect it, but when we get clear evidence that this is the case then we should be calling it out as loudly as possible.
In this specific example, it is the Democratic party of the USA that is clearly in bed with absolute scumbag Hollywood elites. This is not OK, these people hold positions of power that impact the entire world, and they are being influenced by people that you and I would not want anything to do with.
So yeah, in summary this obviously isn't a left vs right debate (though in this case it is the left caught with their pants down), but it absolutely is deeply political.
One scumbag. And when his scumminess has come to attention they have rounded on him.
If you want some whataboutery then think back to how many Trumpites rounded on him after his scumminess came to attention.I think people are going well out of their way to join this to the divisive political situation.
As I said. If there is evidence that the Dems cuddled up to him in full knowledge of this behaviour then I'm happy to accept the point.
The Oscars, the Emmies, even the fucking MTV awards were turned into an anti-Trump shit fest. And now you're bitching and moaning about things becoming political.
For me this has nothing to do with Republicans or Trump but everything to do with the appalling hypocrisy of those preaching SJW piston wristed gibbons from Hollywood.
Maybe I’m even more simple than I thought, but I thought this was about some bloke called Harvey Weinstein.
As for the rest of it. A pile of various wrongs still isn’t adding up to a right.
The connection has been explained multiple times. Try to keep up.
The ‘but this fuckwit is a bigger fuckwit than that fuckwit’ is hopelessly moronic whataboutery.
Sorry Don that is dishonest. Where has anyone said anything like that? If that is your take on it, you are just not reading what people are saying.