Counties Manukau v North Harbour
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@Crucial said in Counties Manukau v North Harbour:
@Gunner said in Counties Manukau v North Harbour:
Serious question here - I thought you weren't allowed to dive onto a player on the ground?
I think the right/sensible call was made, as the defender must be allowed the opportunity to defend his try line.
Just wondering what the actual rule is, and how can they differentiate this from the other one we see more often and is penalised - an attacking player diving on a defender who has himself dived on a loose ball...
Law 14.1 and it makes really interesting reading. You could interpret it as that a player can't dive from a long way out and remove the ball from being contestable.
So should have been a penalty to counties for an early dive...
Does it say anything about diving on a player on the ground and/or the differentiation between the two circumstances?
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@Gunner said in Counties Manukau v North Harbour:
@Crucial said in Counties Manukau v North Harbour:
@Gunner said in Counties Manukau v North Harbour:
Serious question here - I thought you weren't allowed to dive onto a player on the ground?
I think the right/sensible call was made, as the defender must be allowed the opportunity to defend his try line.
Just wondering what the actual rule is, and how can they differentiate this from the other one we see more often and is penalised - an attacking player diving on a defender who has himself dived on a loose ball...
Law 14.1 and it makes really interesting reading. You could interpret it as that a player can't dive from a long way out and remove the ball from being contestable.
So should have been a penalty to counties for an early dive...
Does it say anything about diving on a player on the ground and/or the differentiation between the two circumstances?
(a) Falling over the player on the ground with the ball. A player must not intentionally fall on or over a player with the ball who is lying on the ground.
Key phrase here is 'lying on the ground'. This law is all about tackled or stationary players and protecting them from floppers denying them the ability to play the ball.
There is also part of the law that says..
14.1 Players on the ground
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A player with the ball must immediately do one of three things:
Get up with the ball
Pass the ball
Release the ball.and
The Game is to be played by players who are on their feet. A player must not make the ball unplayable by falling down. Unplayable means that the ball is not immediately available to either team so that play may continue.
A player who makes the ball unplayable, or who obstructs the opposing team by falling down, is negating the purpose and Spirit of the Game and must be penalised.
A player who is not tackled, but who goes to ground while holding the ball, or a player who goes to ground and gathers the ball, must act immediately. -
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@Gunner said in Counties Manukau v North Harbour:
Wow, big call there.
Didn't look forward to me in real time.
Edit, yea it probably was forward.
Big ups to the ref for backing himself.I think the call was from the sideline. I had suspicions in real time.
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@mikedogz said in Counties Manukau v North Harbour:
Counties have gone backwards since last year. Leger is promising and handy with his left boot.
Agree. A unsettled back row and centres are contributing to that though. It is like every game is a new one rather than building from one to the other.
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@Stockcar86 put this in the wrong thread
@Stockcar86 said in 2016 World Sevens Series:
Whats with the ref unwilling to blow penalties at scrum time. That Counties #8 was facing his own try line picking up that try the scrum had screwed so much
I agree with that example but more worryingly is that is seems to be a directive this year across all rugby to not apply reward to a dominant scrum if the ball can get out.
I am probably one of the culprits that disliked the imbalance of 'scrumming for penalties' but I think they have swung a bit far the other way.
I just seem to see in nearly every game a team getting their arse handed to them at a scrum but coming out of it almost in a better position.
