Lions v Crusaders - Super Rugby Final
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@Duluth said in Lions v Crusaders - Super Rugby Final:
@Hooroo said in Lions v Crusaders - Super Rugby Final:
During the match, they had a stat up for the Crusaders that this is their 17th win on the trot? Didn't they lose to the canes a few weeks back?
I assume the stat would have been the longest unbeaten streak in SR history. The Crusaders hold that with 17 from back in the mid 2000's
The Lions were getting up there. I think they were on 14 going into the final
Oh was it a stat for the Lions? I thought they were saying it was for the Crusaders saying that if they win and then win again next season they will beat there own record?
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@Hooroo It wouldn't have been 17 on the trot for the Lions or Crusaders, so I could only imagine that that was what they meant. The Crusaders unbeaten streak ended when they lost to the Canes and the Lions could only have reached 15 if they'd won the final.
Edited to add: the Lions could have equalled the Crusaders record if they'd won the final and then the first game of 2018.
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@pakman said in Lions v Crusaders - Super Rugby Final:
Using the patented play pause technique on the YouTube clip it seems Smith propped when Havili jumped. I don't think he challenged. But to be honest it all happened so quickly I'm not sure Smith had time to think. He certainly was too slow to avoid being smacked in the way through.
So, whilst the red seems correct under the guidelines, it seems doubtful to me that Smith could have done much differently. In which case an accident, not reckless and not a situation where protocol ought to be mandatory red.
Which begs the question of the jumper...What, you don't think Smith knew the ball had been kicked in the air?
Once a ball has been kicked it is very, very clear that you can't just run blindly into the landing zone. You have to assess whether you can legitimately contest the catch. If you're not in a position to do so then your absolute priority is to not make contact with a guy who is in the dominant catching position while he is in the air.
If you do, you are playing with fire.
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17 is the longest unbeaten streak so I assume that is what hooroo saw
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@Duluth said in Lions v Crusaders - Super Rugby Final:
17 is the longest unbeaten streak so I assume that is what hooroo saw
And what a season that was 😎
If I was to compare the two I'd probably take this one given the strength of the NZ conference the Lions tour 'disruption' and some of the newbies that have shone under Razor's gameplan.
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While Robertson is getting most of the plaudits for turning the Crusaders around, I wonder how much credit we should be giving Whitelock? Is he turning out to be a better leader than Read?
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@Stargazer Who's that guy in the photo advertising for a Mako$ contract?
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@Stargazer said in Lions v Crusaders - Super Rugby Final:
@Duluth @ACT-Crusader Just a detail, but an important one, the longest unbeaten streak is 16. See the graphic I posted above from Opta.
No you are wrong
The longest winning streak is 16
The longest unbeaten streak is 17
The winning streak ended when the Crusaders drew with the Force (A good trivia question - who ended the winning streak)
They then lost the next game to finish the unbeaten streak
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@Stargazer said in Lions v Crusaders - Super Rugby Final:
@Duluth Ah, okay, we're looking at draws now, too!
Words have meanings
Winning is not the same as unbeaten
It's not that difficult
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So @Duluth didn't they put up a visual during the game saying the Crusaders were on an unbeaten streak of 15 of summink?
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@Hooroo said in Lions v Crusaders - Super Rugby Final:
So @Duluth didn't they put up a visual during the game saying the Crusaders were on an unbeaten streak of 15 of summink?
We were on a great run up until the Canes game. That's what they must've shown.
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@Chris-B. said in Lions v Crusaders - Super Rugby Final:
@pakman said in Lions v Crusaders - Super Rugby Final:
Using the patented play pause technique on the YouTube clip it seems Smith propped when Havili jumped. I don't think he challenged. But to be honest it all happened so quickly I'm not sure Smith had time to think. He certainly was too slow to avoid being smacked in the way through.
So, whilst the red seems correct under the guidelines, it seems doubtful to me that Smith could have done much differently. In which case an accident, not reckless and not a situation where protocol ought to be mandatory red.
Which begs the question of the jumper...What, you don't think Smith knew the ball had been kicked in the air?
Once a ball has been kicked it is very, very clear that you can't just run blindly into the landing zone. You have to assess whether you can legitimately contest the catch. If you're not in a position to do so then your absolute priority is to not make contact with a guy who is in the dominant catching position while he is in the air.
If you do, you are playing with fire.
+1 to this. I couldn't believe there was any dispute about it on the always solid and sensible Fern.
He had a brain fart where he ran at full tit towards where the ball would land and arrived right on cue - slow motion has no seat at this judicial table.
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IMHO Robertson really only stuffed up once with his selecting: he got the B&I team selection wrong.
Fair play to him for putting it right and not losing to the Lions for a 2nd time in 2017.
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@KiwiPie said in Lions v Crusaders - Super Rugby Final:
@Chris-B. said in Lions v Crusaders - Super Rugby Final:
@pakman said in Lions v Crusaders - Super Rugby Final:
Using the patented play pause technique on the YouTube clip it seems Smith propped when Havili jumped. I don't think he challenged. But to be honest it all happened so quickly I'm not sure Smith had time to think. He certainly was too slow to avoid being smacked in the way through.
So, whilst the red seems correct under the guidelines, it seems doubtful to me that Smith could have done much differently. In which case an accident, not reckless and not a situation where protocol ought to be mandatory red.
Which begs the question of the jumper...What, you don't think Smith knew the ball had been kicked in the air?
Once a ball has been kicked it is very, very clear that you can't just run blindly into the landing zone. You have to assess whether you can legitimately contest the catch. If you're not in a position to do so then your absolute priority is to not make contact with a guy who is in the dominant catching position while he is in the air.
If you do, you are playing with fire.
+1 to this. I couldn't believe there was any dispute about it on the always solid and sensible Fern.
He had a brain fart where he ran at full tit towards where the ball would land and arrived right on cue - slow motion has no seat at this judicial table.
Never venture to the Off Topic part of the forum KP?
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People are asking what Smith should have done. See the clip below for what he should have done*:
Dagg knew early on in the chase that he wasn't a realistic chance to compete for the ball so he pulled back and timed his run so as to tackle the catcher the moment his legs hit the ground. It's what Smith should have done. He played with fire and got burnt.
IMO It was a dreadful challenge and deserved a Red Card. Not because of an "interpretation" or because of some silly rule the refs have to follow - he deserved a Red Card because he recklessly committed an act that could have snapped a guys neck if anything had gone majorly wrong.
*Clip shamelessly stolen from the Rugbyrefs forum.
