NZ Form XV after round 6
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@Crucial said in NZ Form XV after round 6:
Cane, Read, Surveyor?
Could be worth a crack although I do also wonder if it weakens the lineout by lessening the possible targets for the opposition to watch.
Given that Ardie is 6'10" shouldn't he be more proficient in the lineout?
The joke that never gets old
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@Crucial Either Cane or Surveyor could be used as a jumper, particularly if using the locks as lifters (ala the Chiefs).
Remember McCaw was often used as a lineout target, as was Messam at the front, and both were secure enough. They are all of a similar height (minus the haircut of course).
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@MN5 said in NZ Form XV after round 6:
@Bovidae said in NZ Form XV after round 6:
@MN5 Still available for selection.
Ah ok but not in the frame ?
We'll see come selection time. He was off playing in Japan and then Sevens last year, so wasn't available for selection.
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@Crucial said in NZ Form XV after round 6:
I think I read an interview where he said he would love to play in black again but his focus was on playing well for the Chiefs. Anything that came from that was a bonus.
In other words he is not going out there with impressing the AB selectors in mind.Sounds like Rugby cliches 101 to me. I bet he's taking each game as it comes too.
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@MN5 said in NZ Form XV after round 6:
@Crucial said in NZ Form XV after round 6:
I think I read an interview where he said he would love to play in black again but his focus was on playing well for the Chiefs. Anything that came from that was a bonus.
In other words he is not going out there with impressing the AB selectors in mind.Sounds like Rugby cliches 101 to me. I bet he's taking each game as it comes too.
|t will be a season of two halves.
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@Bovidae said in NZ Form XV after round 6:
@Crucial Either Cane or Surveyor could be used as a jumper, particularly if using the locks as lifters (ala the Chiefs).
Less the jumper that would be the issue, more the lifter. You need a primary lifter for each jumper. Kaino is a big lifter, so you swap him for a smaller guy who is not as strong you might not see it in Kainos lineout stats, but you'll see it in Whitelocks or Reads.
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@Milk said in NZ Form XV after round 6:
Messam had lost his place since before the World Cup and barely made the squad though.
He's great as a "badass mother who don't take no crap off of nobody" waterboy though.
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@No-Quarter If Julian gets in trouble again Messam has his back.
I certainly wouldn't rule out Messam in the AB squad as the backup to Kaino. He would be a good shout to captain the Maori otherwise.
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@Bovidae said in NZ Form XV after round 6:
@No-Quarter If Julian gets in trouble again Messam has his back.
I certainly wouldn't rule out Messam in the AB squad as the backup to Kaino. He would be a good shout to captain the Maori otherwise.
I'm a big fan of Liam "could've been a great centre" Messam, and thought we didn't miss a beat when he started during the Kaino sabbatical, but I think his chances are very slim. I think they will continue to develop Squire and Dixon.
I do like the idea of him captaining the Maori in another famous victory against the Lions
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@ACT-Crusader said in NZ Form XV after round 6:
@Bovidae said in NZ Form XV after round 6:
@No-Quarter If Julian gets in trouble again Messam has his back.
I certainly wouldn't rule out Messam in the AB squad as the backup to Kaino. He would be a good shout to captain the Maori otherwise.
I'm a big fan of Liam "could've been a great centre" Messam, and thought we didn't miss a beat when he started during the Kaino sabbatical, but I think his chances are very slim. I think they will continue to develop Squire and Dixon.
I do like the idea of him captaining the Maori in another famous victory against the Lions
Yeah, that'd be awesome.
Because this is such a big one off series, it's not out of the realms of possibility for him to get in there... same with Cruden and TKB. If it was a normal domestic series I think they would focus more on the the future. It would take an injury to Kaino for Messam to get in there; they wouldn't take him as a back up. He'd also have to play the house down for the rest of the Super season and be head and shoulders over Dixon and Squire.
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Yeah, based on the limited opportunities Dixon got last year, he seems like a bit of a placeholder to me, in the squad until someone like Ioane, Seu or Fifita steps up. If Messam keeps playing as well as he has, I wouldn't be surprised to see him take that spot, as he's proven he's up to it if anything happens to Kaino and Hansen seems like he's a fan of him.
