Eligibility back on the agenda
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@Catogrande said in Eligibility back on the agenda:
@Bones Is removal of the Grandparent rule really on the cards though? I agree it would be to the detriment of the PIs or any country that had a large economic migrancy situation.
Yep agree. I'd say IRFU would object to that.
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@Nepia said in Eligibility back on the agenda:
(remove the school arrival guys and it's only really Rawlinson and Devine in kind of recent times).And Taumoepeau. So it's about 20 tests all up, a majority of which were off the bench and often injury call ups.
The biggest change that could benefit the ABs is eliminating the grandfather rule as it would stop depth from converting to Samoa/Tonga/Fiji and being ineligible for NZ. However for the good of the game no one from NZ would be pushing for this.
Residency also helps the islands, but to a larger extent just helps give the international game some integrity.
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@Catogrande said in Eligibility back on the agenda:
@any country that had a large economic migrancy situation.
Such as New Zealand -> Australia. Although the likelihood of them actually targeting guys in the NRL U20s system or Aussie schoolboys rugby based on their parents/grandparents being Kiwis is unlikely given the wealth of talent back home. More of a don't call us we will call you type thing.
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@Nepia said in Eligibility back on the agenda:
@Bones said in Eligibility back on the agenda:
@Nepia probably include Masoe in that too?
Would be interesting to see how a no grandparent rule might adversely affect Samoa/Tonga.
I think he went to Wanganui Collegiate?
Yep, the no granparent rule would hammer the islands in a generation.
Wanganui City College.
The poor school in, 3rd ranked rugby school in the city, a declining provincial city.I've seen him included as a scholarship migrant in various internet discussions . But personally I doubt it, based purely on the school, no evidence either way.
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Spent years in Japan, and as everyone knows they use the 3 year residency thing very freely indeed. Interesting thing though is the likes of Michael Leitch, Luke Thompson and Hendrix Tui have all naturalised anyway. Dual citizenship is not recognised as such but my experiences there suggest that it's very much a case of don't ask, don't tell. Kids born in an international marriage can have both passports to age 21 at which time they are supposed to decide, but in practice many don't. I would imagine someone like Kotaro Matsushima, the outside back, would still hold both South African and Japanese
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The stricter residency rules are expected to pass
Why Denny Solomona is poised to make history with England switch
The Rugby Football Union may have confirmed that Denny Solomona has this week become the latest player to qualify for England on the three-year residency rule - but behind the scenes the governing body's support for the campaign to extend the qualifying period to five years appears to have been...
Agustin Pichot, the World Rugby vice-chairman, made it clear on his appointment last year that he felt three years was too short amid concerns that it was undermining the fabric of the international game and fuelling the player drain from the Pacific Islands. The RFU openly declared its support for the position in January and several international sources have indicated that Pichot will now get enough backing to get the amendment over the line. "There is a very good chance of it being adopted," said RFU chief executive Ian Ritchie. There could yet be a period of grace for those players already serving a qualification period for their adopted country but it is almost certain that if the extension is voted in, it could be in place for the start of next season. -
With 5 years apparently a done deal, the real interest for me will be the date it is implemented from.
Eg for this about to move. Will James Lowe be foreign eligible in 3 years or 5 years.
From memory. The last big change, stopping country swapping, was in 1999 with the effective date being Jan 1 2000.
I reckon it will be similar. Jan 1 2018.
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Media release from World Rugby
World Rugby announces historic eligibility regulation reform
Main decisions:
- Regulation 8 change follows detailed review and union consultation and is designed to create a framework that protects the integrity and credibility of international rugby
- Residency period extended from 36 consecutive months to 60 consecutive months
- Council approves expanded voting rights for Argentina and Japan
- Bernard Laporte elected onto the World Rugby Executive Committee
The reformed Regulation 8 ensures that a player has a genuine, close, credible and established link with the nation of representation, and the key amendments are:
- The 36-month residency requirement is increased to 60 months with effect from 31 December, 2020 (unanimously approved)
- The addition of a residency criteria which permits players who have 10 years of cumulative residency to be eligible (effective May 10, 2017) (unanimously approved)
- Unions may no longer nominate their U20s team as their next senior national representative team (effective 1 January, 2018) (majority)
- Sevens players will only be captured for the purposes of Regulation 8 where the player has represented either of (i) the senior national representative sevens team of a union where the player has reached the age of 20 on or before the date of participation; or (ii) the national representative sevens team of a union in the Olympic Games or Rugby World Cup Sevens, having reached the age of majority on or before the date of participation in such tournament (effective 1 July, 2017) (majority)
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Two thousand and fckn twenty.
I expect a Celtic Nations lolly scramble between here and 31.12.2017.
Argentina and Japan having more voting power is a good thing for NZ rugby IMO.
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On a practical level
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NZ will still have as many "South Sea Islanders" in the team as before...cos they're born in NZ, duh.
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Players like Brad Shields could be hard to keep hold of: if he misses Lions selection (likely)...he has to decide whether to keep trying...or get himself into a Scottish/Irish/Welsh club before 31.12.2017...
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@Billy-Tell said in Eligibility back on the agenda:
On a practical level
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NZ will still have as many "South Sea Islanders" in the team as before...cos they're born in NZ, duh.
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Players like Brad Shields could be hard to keep hold of: if he misses Lions selection (likely)...he has to decide whether to keep trying...or get himself into a Scottish/Irish/Welsh club before 31.12.2017...
I would imagine out there in internet land somewhere there will be ill informed people typing about NZ being the hardest hit in the 5 year rule , and will be looking forward to seeing a white team in the future
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Interesting about the 7s clause for those under 20.
No murmurs or rumours about that.
Also interesting that nations now not allowed to designate their u20s as their second team. I think SAF and Wales were the unions with that set up.
Looks like their not keen on teenagers being locked in.
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@Stargazer said in Eligibility back on the agenda:
@Rapido As a result of the decisions made today, James Lowe will be foreign eligible in 3 years as his residency period starts in 2017 and 3 years will have passed before 31 December, 2020.
That's if his body hasn't given up on him by then.
@Billy-Tell said in Eligibility back on the agenda:
On a practical level
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NZ will still have as many "South Sea Islanders" in the team as before...cos they're born in NZ, duh.
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Players like Brad Shields could be hard to keep hold of: if he misses Lions selection (likely)...he has to decide whether to keep trying...or get himself into a Scottish/Irish/Welsh club before 31.12.2017...
His handling skills would have him fit in.
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@Rapido said in Eligibility back on the agenda:
Interesting about the 7s clause for those under 20.
No murmurs or rumours about that.
Also interesting that nations now not allowed to designate their u20s as their second team. I think SAF and Wales were the unions with that set up.
Looks like their not keen on teenagers being locked in.
Surely that was South Africa's chance to lock in their youth?
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@Crucial said in Eligibility back on the agenda:
Anyone understand the 10 year clause?
It the intention there that you can add up time spent resident if you split your play between two places? If so I can't see who this is targeted at or what it achieves.
Maybe I have read it wrong?Yeah - I was curious about that too... and I think your interpretation of it is correct.
I think it's the dastardly All Blacks....- Player born in Pacific Islands
- Poached by NZ, as a kid - goddamn baby-stealing kiwis
- Becomes a superstar, playing school/Super Rugby
- Goes to make the $$$ in Europe
- But, having lived 10 years in NZ - we can still pick him, when we're desperate
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@Kruse said in Eligibility back on the agenda:
@Crucial said in Eligibility back on the agenda:
Anyone understand the 10 year clause?
It the intention there that you can add up time spent resident if you split your play between two places? If so I can't see who this is targeted at or what it achieves.
Maybe I have read it wrong?Yeah - I was curious about that too... and I think your interpretation of it is correct.
I think it's the dastardly All Blacks....- Player born in Pacific Islands
- Poached by NZ, as a kid - goddamn baby-stealing kiwis
- Becomes a superstar, playing school/Super Rugby
- Goes to make the $$$ in Europe
- But, having lived 10 years in NZ - we can still pick him, when we're desperate
Ah no, in this scenario the kid would have qualified under 5 year residency anyway.
It's for people who have lived in a country for 10 years but never in a streak of 5 unbroken years. Only likely scenario I could see it having an effect is allowing Fijians in British Army to play for England, like their new guy 18 year old Coganosiva who is an Army son who moved there age 3, but has been living in England > Germany > Brunei. Quite conceivable someone like him might have never spent > 5 years consecutive in England (3 years no worries) but lived there 10 years in total ( or soon will do).
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@Kruse said in Eligibility back on the agenda:
@Crucial said in Eligibility back on the agenda:
Anyone understand the 10 year clause?
It the intention there that you can add up time spent resident if you split your play between two places? If so I can't see who this is targeted at or what it achieves.
Maybe I have read it wrong?Yeah - I was curious about that too... and I think your interpretation of it is correct.
I think it's the dastardly All Blacks....- Player born in Pacific Islands
- Poached by NZ, as a kid - goddamn baby-stealing kiwis
- Becomes a superstar, playing school/Super Rugby
- Goes to make the $$$ in Europe
- But, having lived 10 years in NZ - we can still pick him, when we're desperate
So they are actually extending eligibility to players that may have grown up in a country despite being citizens elsewhere and having moved away?
The obvious ones that fall into this category are army brats from Fiji whose dad served time in the UK then shifted back to the islands.
can't see how this clause can help smaller nations at all. Quite the reverse.
