Law trials and changes
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@Victor-Meldrew Agree 100%.
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@Victor-Meldrew Agree, seems pisspoor comunication, but I wondering how much we have looked at it, isn't it RU doing it in England and they seemed to stuffed up communicating with their clubs, they don't need to communicate it to me here in NZ!
Actually was just talking to Welsh mate and he was saying the laws are also going to cover players bending so low so they can't be tackled legally, buggered if I know how. -
@Dan54 said in Law trials and changes:
@Victor-Meldrew Agree, seems pisspoor comunication, but I wondering how much we have looked at it, isn't it RU doing it in England and they seemed to stuffed up communicating with their clubs, they don't need to communicate it to me here in NZ!
Actually was just talking to Welsh mate and he was saying the laws are also going to cover players bending so low so they can't be tackled legally, buggered if I know how.Have a read back in the thread. Covered in a good article. The law makers think it won’t be a problem just like you can grab near the head and shoulders near the line because it isn’t deemed dangerous unless you neck roll.
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@Victor-Meldrew Mate just out of interest on trialling and feedback etc, not sure if you saw this from NZR in November, and not sure where you reside mate, but we in NZ have been kept informed about this change quite well I thought.
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@Dan54 said in Law trials and changes:
@Victor-Meldrew Mate just out of interest on trialling and feedback etc, not sure if you saw this from NZR in November, and not sure where you reside mate, but we in NZ have been kept informed about this change quite well I thought.
Yeah, that's good to hear/see.
I was mainly thinking of the debacle in England, but it could be anywhere. Was talking to a Junior coach last Monday and he didn't have a clue on how he was supposed to coach his youngsters. A total screw-up.
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@Victor-Meldrew Yep mate, sounds a little like mates club haven't maybe passed on info as NZR released all this stuff in November.
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@Billy-Tell said in Law trials and changes:
World Rugby looks to enhance the flow of the game with law application guidelines | World Rugby
World Rugby has announced a series of law applications which will be implemented game-wide from 1 January 2023 aimed at speeding up the game.
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@Stargazer nothing there except actually applying the laws. Strange how they make out it is all 'new' when it is what the law makers wanted all along.
Stop the time wasting. Make desicions on clear and obvious law transgressions etc. Don't go looking for clear and obvious that is only such by endless replays.
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@Crucial said in Law trials and changes:
Don't go looking for clear and obvious that is only such by endless replays.
In a perfect world I would agree, but the media and the fans aren't going to quietly accept mistakes. And fans/media aren't going to limit themselves to a quick one or two looks.
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@Crazy-Horse said in Law trials and changes:
@Crucial said in Law trials and changes:
Don't go looking for clear and obvious that is only such by endless replays.
In a perfect world I would agree, but the media and the fans aren't going to quietly accept mistakes. And fans/media aren't going to limit themselves to a quick one or two looks.
It is setting expectations though. If everyone knows that only clear and obvious stuff is whistled AND mouthy commentators also convey that (not looking at anyone in particular Justin) then a lot of the noise will reduce.
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@Crucial said in Law trials and changes:
@Crazy-Horse said in Law trials and changes:
@Crucial said in Law trials and changes:
Don't go looking for clear and obvious that is only such by endless replays.
In a perfect world I would agree, but the media and the fans aren't going to quietly accept mistakes. And fans/media aren't going to limit themselves to a quick one or two looks.
It is setting expectations though. If everyone knows that only clear and obvious stuff is whistled AND mouthy commentators also convey that (not looking at anyone in particular Justin) then a lot of the noise will reduce.
It is amazing how many people take their lead from commentators that have been shown over and over to be wrong.That's a big if. You have more faith in human nature than me. It'll be shits and giggles from everyone until their team comes out on the wrong side of a decision.
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@Crazy-Horse said in Law trials and changes:
@Crucial said in Law trials and changes:
@Crazy-Horse said in Law trials and changes:
@Crucial said in Law trials and changes:
Don't go looking for clear and obvious that is only such by endless replays.
In a perfect world I would agree, but the media and the fans aren't going to quietly accept mistakes. And fans/media aren't going to limit themselves to a quick one or two looks.
It is setting expectations though. If everyone knows that only clear and obvious stuff is whistled AND mouthy commentators also convey that (not looking at anyone in particular Justin) then a lot of the noise will reduce.
It is amazing how many people take their lead from commentators that have been shown over and over to be wrong.That's a big if. You have more faith in human nature than me. It'll be shits and giggles from everyone until their team comes out on the wrong side of a decision.
Clear and Obvious blunders then yes. Hairline decisions on foot in touch or grounding then there won't be a leg to stand on if not clear and obvious. They can shout at clouds all they like.
I do get the opinions on whether something is clear and obvious will differ. We have all heard commentators, seeing the same picture as us, declare something as obvious and we are sitting there wondering what they are on.
Forward passes are a good example. It has long been accepted that C&O is the ruler. Sometimes refs don't seem to let C&O guide them but when they do the decisions are usually 'right' (or accepted) -
@Crucial I too would like to see it, but it would take a big cultural shift. Are there any examples of sports that have successfully sped up the TMO process and errors have been accepted as part of the deal?
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@Crazy-Horse said in Law trials and changes:
@Crucial I too would like to see it, but it would take a big cultural shift. Are there any examples of sports that have successfully sped up the TMO process and errors have been accepted as part of the deal?
NFL? There’s some whinges for sure but it seems like decisions and the moving in happens fairly quickly.
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Enhanced playing experience and player welfare at the heart of recommendations being made to the World Rugby Council in May
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Independent research supports lowering of the legal tackle height as a means of reducing the number of head impacts and concussions in the community and youth game
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Recent pilot trials in France also show positive outcomes in terms of, player experience and community game participation
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Unions will be encouraged to opt-in to a global law trial reducing the legal height of the tackle at Community and youth levels.
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Unions will be able to determine the exact tackle height within their jurisdiction but World Rugby will recommend a reduction to below the sternum
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The lower tackle height is aimed at increasing accessibility, safety and enjoyment.
World Rugby’s Executive Board has recommended that Unions participate in an opt-in global trial of lowering the tackle height in the community game to below the sternum (also known as a “belly tackle”).
National unions are now encouraged to consult with their community rugby game regarding the recommendation. Any future adoption of a lowered tackle height will be underpined by a comprehensive roadmap of education and resources that will support implementation locally at all grassroots levels of the game. Unions will also be encouraged to undertake formal research into the impact of the intervention, enabling World Rugby to fully evaluate the trial and determine future steps.Supporting a safer more enjoyable game
World Rugby-endorsed pilot trials of lower tackle heights have been conducted in the community game in France and South Africa. These trials have been proven to deliver positive advancements in terms of player safety – reducing the number of head impacts and concussions - and the overall game experience – supporting increased ball in flow. The changes have helped to increase player participation in France.
Change driven by emerging science and evidence
In line with its six-point plan to make the sport the most progressive in the world on player welfare, World Rugby continues to be guided by science and research as part of a relentless focus on reducing injury risk via education, sanction and law change. A reduction in the legal tackle height to below the sternum demonstrates increased safety outcomes while retaining the unique characteristics of the game.
Rigorous independent research shows that the tackle is responsible for 74 per cent of all concussions. Reducing the height of the tackle protects both players. The ball carrier is protected directly because head contact leading to injury can be significantly reduced, while the tackler is protected because their head will be in what is known to be a safer proximity with the ball carrier’s torso/upper body. Tackles where the tackler’s head is in proximity to the ball carrier’s body above the sternum are more than four times more likely to result in a head injury, and so bringing tackle height down will benefit both players.
In light of this compelling evidence, including research using the latest smart mouthguard technology, World Rugby is recommending the legal tackle height be lowered on an opt-in global trial basis. Several unions have already announced their intention to support it.
England and New Zealand have already announced the reduction of tackle height in community rugby
‘Rugby for everyone’ – tackle height action plan through to World Rugby Council in May
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World Rugby will continue to consult with unions on lower tackle height implementation and guidance around key tackle elements, including double tackles and tackling near the try line
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Guidance will be provided and linked to Game On Global, World Rugby’s Community Game modified law variations and Tackle Ready the best practise tackling resource, both of which are already available to unions
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Implementation would be approved on the proviso that tackle technique education is undertaken by respective unions for players, coaches, match officials and disciplinary personnel
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World Rugby will promote a new non-contact game and other modified contact games
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World Rugby will continue to seek and listen to feedback from everyone who loves the game
World Rugby Chairman, Sir Bill Beaumont, said: “It is important that we continue to explore ways that we can make our game as enjoyable and safe to play as possible. The community game is the lifeblood of our sport, representing 99 per cent of our participants, and the proposed tackle height adjustment has already delivered positive game shape and playing experience outcomes in pilot trials – this is essential to the sport’s future. The evidence we have, from France in particular, shows that not only does reducing the tackle height make the game safer but it increases numbers playing as well. That has to be the aim for everyone involved in our game.”
World Rugby Chief Executive Officer Alan Gilpin added: “If our sport is to continue to grow, we must ensure that we are accessible and relevant to more people around the world. That means never standing still when it comes to advancing player welfare and experience. With compelling emerging evidence showing that a lower legal tackle height means a lower head injury risk, as well as more people playing, we are compelled to act.
“Change can be difficult. We appreciate that there will be sections of the community game who will question this move, but we must not lose sight of the fact that such a change has the ability to enhance enjoyment, reassure parents and welcome many new participants to the sport we all love.
“While this is a community rugby initiative, we would be open to discussions with unions who may wish to explore the possibility of a future closed trial at the elite level which would broaden research data. It must be noted that the elite and community environments are very different, they are essentially different playing experiences and sports.”
The recommendation was endorsed by World Rugby’s Community Rugby Committee and follows consideration by the national union Development Directors group in October 2022. -
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Nothing published about this policy change (not: law change) on the WR website yet.
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@Kirwan Yeah, in that Springboks v All Blacks example, you only have to look at the shorts and the difference between the two teams is clear. Alternative solutions could also have been letting - for example - the Springboks wear golden armbands or add golden cuffs to their sleeves.
Reduced tackle height the focus of community rugby game innovations for 2023
