Aussie Cricket
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@Donsteppa said in Aussie Cricket:
I watched part of almost every BBL game from Christmas Eve until the second week of January. Think I've only watched a few minutes of highlights since...
Yep.
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@hydro11 said in Aussie Cricket:
@Siam said in Aussie Cricket:
@hydro11 because 1 Perrera innings of about an hour does nothing to explain the Australian ODI team team stinking up the joint since Feb 2017
They lost 4-1 at home last summer and took a game off SA and India making that 4-2, so they managed 1 win per series on home conditions for 2 summers (3wins from 11at home). They got hammered everywhere overseas AND on some days they had their best bowlers and batsmen.
For a country with all that cricket IP and advanced cricketing institutions, the winning history ; the last 2 years performances are more than just Davey having a brain explosion with sandpaper.
But sure, there's nothing unexpected in Australian cricket performances on home soil that can't be explained by noting 2 innings by a Sri Lankan in a losing game in another country
Australian cricket has never seen any value in a "close" loss
There are a couple of factors why Australia tends to do poorly in one day cricket at the moment.
One - they are very reliant on a few players. Their best test bowling fast bowlers are Starc, Hazlewood and Cummins. Their best ODI quicks are Starc, Hazlewood and Cummins. We play 2-3 test series and we know for every series we can bring in a fit Wagner. The Aussies play five home tests and then their quicks are tired. Like last summer when they destroyed England in the Ashes and then, as you say, lost a relatively meaningless series 4-1. The troika were great in the Ashes but shit in the ODIs.Meanwhile Anderson and Broad could just go home.
To put this into perspective, post 2015 World Cup Starc has played 34 ODI's, Hazlewood 31 and Cummins 30. Boult has played 46 and Southee 43 in that time. In that time New Zealand have played 68 ODIs, 27 against South Africa, India and England. Australia have played 66 ODIs in that time but 40 against those three teams. Of those 40 games against those 3 top teams, Cummins has played 17 times, Starc 14 and Hazlewood 11. Of New Zealand's 27 games against the top 3, Boult has played 20 and Southee 23.
The point of all that is Australia look worse than they are if you just look at results. Their problem in a bowling sense is because their quicks are always tired from tests. They don't have a Bracken or a Faulkner or any other ODI specialist. Australia also play more tests and more games against the top teams. Even though they play the top teams more, their best bowlers are often absent from those games. Of course there are other factors like Zampa under-performing.
Obviously much of this is Australia's fault. They don't have the depth and CA schedules too much ODI cricket and proceeds to pick poor squads which are always going to get butchered.Having said that, in the World Cup Australia will have their top bowlers. Australia are at $6 (3rd favourites), we are $9 (5th favourites). There are good reasons for that.
The batting is another story and another long post. In short, the BBL is now way too long and takes up too much oxygen. There are other factors too, of course. Australia's batting has been weak and held up by a few players since 2010.
@Siam Australian cricket looks quite good now they have their best fast bowlers back and firing. They actually would be stronger if Hazlewood or Richardson were fit. That doesn't negate the bad things Cricket Australia has done but those meaningless series against England and India don't seem to hold much weight now.
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Aussie touring squads for SA and NZ
T20I squad Aaron Finch (capt), Matthew Wade (vc), Ashton Agar, Jason Behrendorff, Mitchell Marsh, Glenn Maxwell, Ben McDermott, Riley Meredith, Josh Philippe, Jhye Richardson, Kane Richardson, Daniel Sams, Tanveer Sangha, D'Arcy Short, Marcus Stoinis, Ashton Turner, Andrew Tye, Adam Zampa
Test squad Tim Paine (capt), Pat Cummins (vc), Sean Abbott, Alex Carey, Cameron Green, Marcus Harris, Josh Hazlewood, Travis Head, Moises Henriques, Marnus Labuschagne, Nathan Lyon, Michael Neser, James Pattinson, Will Pucovski, Steve Smith, Mitchell Starc, Mark Steketee, Mitchell Swepson, David Warner
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@Hooroo said in Aussie Cricket:
Aussie touring squads for SA and NZ
T20I squad Aaron Finch (capt), Matthew Wade (vc), Ashton Agar, Jason Behrendorff, Mitchell Marsh, Glenn Maxwell, Ben McDermott, Riley Meredith, Josh Philippe, Jhye Richardson, Kane Richardson, Daniel Sams, Tanveer Sangha, D'Arcy Short, Marcus Stoinis, Ashton Turner, Andrew Tye, Adam Zampa
Test squad Tim Paine (capt), Pat Cummins (vc), Sean Abbott, Alex Carey, Cameron Green, Marcus Harris, Josh Hazlewood, Travis Head, Moises Henriques, Marnus Labuschagne, Nathan Lyon, Michael Neser, James Pattinson, Will Pucovski, Steve Smith, Mitchell Starc, Mark Steketee, Mitchell Swepson, David Warner
@NTA just tagging you so you can prepare to get triggered
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@MN5 said in Aussie Cricket:
@Hooroo said in Aussie Cricket:
Aussie touring squads for SA and NZ
T20I squad Aaron Finch (capt), Matthew Wade (vc), Ashton Agar, Jason Behrendorff, Mitchell Marsh, Glenn Maxwell, Ben McDermott, Riley Meredith, Josh Philippe, Jhye Richardson, Kane Richardson, Daniel Sams, Tanveer Sangha, D'Arcy Short, Marcus Stoinis, Ashton Turner, Andrew Tye, Adam Zampa
Test squad Tim Paine (capt), Pat Cummins (vc), Sean Abbott, Alex Carey, Cameron Green, Marcus Harris, Josh Hazlewood, Travis Head, Moises Henriques, Marnus Labuschagne, Nathan Lyon, Michael Neser, James Pattinson, Will Pucovski, Steve Smith, Mitchell Starc, Mark Steketee, Mitchell Swepson, David Warner
@NTA just tagging you so you can prepare to get triggered
He’s actually a very good T20 player. Now if he had been named on the test side...
Good to see Alex Carey in the squad even though he’s unlikely to play unless there’s injury. I reckon he’s a decent test batsman.
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Mitch Marsh is one of the best players in the BBL
for the tests you imagine Head comes in for Wade (i might have taken a punt on McDermott to change the look of the middle order, but that's just me) otherwise business as usual?
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@shark none? the season is completely fucked here now that CA has sold their soul to the BBL and made it take all fucking summer.
There are a few guys in Australia who could make a difference to that Aus lineup who barely ever hit a red ball.
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@mariner4life said in Aussie Cricket:
@shark none? the season is completely fucked here now that CA has sold their soul to the BBL and made it take all fucking summer.
There are a few guys in Australia who could make a difference to that Aus lineup who barely ever hit a red ball.
I'm hoping interest in the test championship quells this somewhat.
20/20s are fun and all that but Test Cricket is still THE ultimate form of the game.
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@mariner4life said in Aussie Cricket:
@shark none? the season is completely fucked here now that CA has sold their soul to the BBL and made it take all fucking summer.
There are a few guys in Australia who could make a difference to that Aus lineup who barely ever hit a red ball.
The structure of the nz domestic season is still worse and has been for 15 years. Red ball goes into hiatus for 3 months, for T20 plus the list As because NZC think Ford Trophy still matters enough to need an exclusive block in the calendar (it doesn't).
We're just lucky enough to be in a state where we have a solid stable team. So no one is trying to play their way in part way through season to replace a knee-jerk dropping.
Remember when we had Tim McIntosh in test team and he didn't make Auckland T20 team, and at full strength also didn't play List As. Preparing for first test of the season a month after Plunket Shield went into hiatus with a month of club cricket for Parnell as his build up.
That structure hasn't disappeared, it's just that the quality of the current generation has hidden the administrative Russian Roulette that would take place if we were in a more normal playing talent period.
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@dogmeat said in Aussie Cricket
T/20 is a totally unnecessary abomination of the devil
I don't go that far, but India just showed us that T20 is a surprisingly good preparation for test cricket. Honestly, I didn't believe the skills would transfer, but the evidence suggests I was wrong.
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@nzzp said in Aussie Cricket:
@dogmeat said in Aussie Cricket
T/20 is a totally unnecessary abomination of the devil
I don't go that far, but India just showed us that T20 is a surprisingly good preparation for test cricket. Honestly, I didn't believe the skills would transfer, but the evidence suggests I was wrong.
Did they, tho? Sure, they were only playing T20 as a tournament but these guys are training and prepping for red ball all the time in the nets in the leadup to various series'.
Pujara was arguably the most important player in the lineup, and he doesn't play short form cricket.
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@NTA said in Aussie Cricket:
@nzzp said in Aussie Cricket:
@dogmeat said in Aussie Cricket
T/20 is a totally unnecessary abomination of the devil
I don't go that far, but India just showed us that T20 is a surprisingly good preparation for test cricket. Honestly, I didn't believe the skills would transfer, but the evidence suggests I was wrong.
Did they, tho?
I think they did. 9 of the 11 in the last test were T20 players predominantly. They came out of IPL;I think Sundar hadn't played FC cricket in three years.
So yeah, I think they probably did
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A bit of material for @NTA to jerk off to
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@No-Quarter soured by his complete lack of current form. Difficult wank.
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