Stadium of Canterbury
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@antipodean and that might be the difference
my experience in chch was you were either a rugby fan that was happy to go to the stadium to watch or you weren't. I never really got met many people that didn't go and would have if it was a better stadium, after the initial novelty that im sure will come with the stadium when it first opens og course.
im sure there are some but i never met many and so im much more inclined to look at the crowds they currently get and then add a bit
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@kiwiwomble said in Stadium of Canterbury:
@antipodean and that might be the difference
my experience in chch was you were either a rugby fan that was happy to go to the stadium to watch or you weren't. I never really got met many people that didn't go and would have if it was a better stadium, after the initial novelty that im sure will come with the stadium when it first opens og course.
im sure there are some but i never met many and so im much more inclined to look at the crowds they currently get and then add a bit
One aspect is that newer stadiums are generally more comfortable and kid friendly. May entice some people that are on the fence to come to more games if they aren't freezing to death and queuing forever for food and toilets.
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I'll just point out people are much more likely to utilise a stadium that is well serviced by supporting infrastructure (pubs, restaurants, etc.), easily accessible and one where you don't need to wear a doona to watch a game.
For example there are people who simply won't go to watch the Brumbies because of the stadium.
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look, your right, there will be people that dont go or dont go as often as they might because of the current stadium.
for me jumping the day to day capacity from 18k at the current one to 25k might well address that for the majority of games
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one area where i think they have missed an opportunity is the ability to grow/expand the stadium in the future
My football club in the UK has just built a new stadium, the current capacity is 9k and that is based on where we are in the football pyramid. is has been designed and built in a way in which it can be increased to 22k, so all the foundations have been laid to take these larger stands so any works are above ground and so easier to forecast/plan and price down the track, less unknowns
Im on a construction forum too and the stadium/arenas area has examples where stands are being designed to allow for a second tier to be added on some stands to allow for relatively easier construction down the track
That might have been an approach to help find a middle ground, allow room for growth if christchurch/canterbury grows bigger than they currently believe
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@mariner4life said in Stadium of Canterbury:
Are we sort of at the point where they should ignore the numbers and just build a great, modern 45,000 seat stadium?
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@antipodean said in Stadium of Canterbury:
I'll just point out people are much more likely to utilise a stadium that is well serviced by supporting infrastructure (pubs, restaurants, etc.), easily accessible and one where you don't need to wear a doona to watch a game.
For example there are people who simply won't go to watch the Brumbies because of the stadium.
They play at GIO with the Raiders, yeah? I took my kid to a Raiders game v the Warriors a while back and we loved it - that middle concourse was really good for getting around the ground, and the free bus home was good (though we had to keep quiet as the Warriors had managed an unthinkable/unbelievable come-from-behind win)
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@voodoo said in Stadium of Canterbury:
@antipodean said in Stadium of Canterbury:
I'll just point out people are much more likely to utilise a stadium that is well serviced by supporting infrastructure (pubs, restaurants, etc.), easily accessible and one where you don't need to wear a doona to watch a game.
For example there are people who simply won't go to watch the Brumbies because of the stadium.
They play at GIO with the Raiders, yeah? I took my kid to a Raiders game v the Warriors a while back and we loved it - that middle concourse was really good for getting around the ground, and the free bus home was good (though we had to keep quiet as the Warriors had managed an unthinkable/unbelievable come-from-behind win)
a day game?
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@rapido said in Stadium of Canterbury:
@voodoo said in Stadium of Canterbury:
@antipodean said in Stadium of Canterbury:
I'll just point out people are much more likely to utilise a stadium that is well serviced by supporting infrastructure (pubs, restaurants, etc.), easily accessible and one where you don't need to wear a doona to watch a game.
For example there are people who simply won't go to watch the Brumbies because of the stadium.
They play at GIO with the Raiders, yeah? I took my kid to a Raiders game v the Warriors a while back and we loved it - that middle concourse was really good for getting around the ground, and the free bus home was good (though we had to keep quiet as the Warriors had managed an unthinkable/unbelievable come-from-behind win)
a day game?
I was going to ask the same. OK stadium on a sunny day. Once that cold breeze hits in the evening you want to make sure you are rugged up like you are about to retrace the steps of Shackleton.
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@rapido said in Stadium of Canterbury:
@voodoo said in Stadium of Canterbury:
@antipodean said in Stadium of Canterbury:
I'll just point out people are much more likely to utilise a stadium that is well serviced by supporting infrastructure (pubs, restaurants, etc.), easily accessible and one where you don't need to wear a doona to watch a game.
For example there are people who simply won't go to watch the Brumbies because of the stadium.
They play at GIO with the Raiders, yeah? I took my kid to a Raiders game v the Warriors a while back and we loved it - that middle concourse was really good for getting around the ground, and the free bus home was good (though we had to keep quiet as the Warriors had managed an unthinkable/unbelievable come-from-behind win)
a day game?
It's a wind swept concrete hole in the ground. It has overpriced shit food. Overpriced shit beer. There's no bars, pubs, restaurants anywhere near it. If you're there for a night game after Anzac Day, it is miserable. The concourse is a homage to Midnight Express so the insane can wander around to keep warm.
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@hooroo said in Stadium of Canterbury:
@mariner4life said in Stadium of Canterbury:
Are we sort of at the point where they should ignore the numbers and just build a great, modern 45,000 seat stadium?
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Yeah, got there eventually
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@duluth said in Stadium of Canterbury:
What a revelation. 25k is too small for a greater metropolitan of approx 500k? Who the fuck would have predicted that eh?
It's a fucking joke. I really can't wait for all the whingers who haven't said a fucking word thus far to pipe up when Christchurch misses it's first big event. The first of many.
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@antipodean said in Stadium of Canterbury:
a doona
Jesus - you really do need to get back over here for a holiday, don't you?
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I watched a show about Tottenham Hotspur's recently built stadium this arvo. It was 1 billion (GBP?) and is in a different league therefore to what we could have had, but it clearly showed how amazing a stadium without a fully enclosed roof can be.
The stands have pretty good cover from the extended roofing, which could have also been done in Christchurch. Large covered concourses, on site hospitality and heaps of food options which were also entirely possible if we'd gone for something more like Bankwest in Sydney. The stadium taking in hospitality earnings in the hours immediately prior to and after a game makes enormous sense to it's viability.
The irony in having this MUA in the city centre with limited transport access is that if it's wet, most punters will get wet on the way in from wherever to they are prior or the nearest drop off point, then arrive at a really basic venue for the event. An alternative could have been a state of the art open stadium with all of that hospitality already there. People in their thousands could arrive hours prior and soak up the hospitality rather than the rain. Extended roof cover would then shelter the vast majority from most rain.
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@shark you make some great points. It's the whole experience, not just the 80 minutes that's important. One of the things that makes Millenium Stadium in Cardiff special is the ability to fall out of a bar and into the stadium (or vice versa).
That said, covered is the new gold standard for watching sport. Dunedin's stadium is amazing, and turns ugly winters nights into decent watching experiences. Buuuuut ... if the tradeoff is 'covered' against 'another 15k seats', it may be a tough discussion.
Too late now, though, the project is way too advaned to change again. Just build something and enjoy it
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@shark said in Stadium of Canterbury:
I watched a show about Tottenham Hotspur's recently built stadium this arvo. It was 1 billion (GBP?) and is in a different league therefore to what we could have had, but it clearly showed how amazing a stadium without a fully enclosed roof can be.
The stands have pretty good cover from the extended roofing, which could have also been done in Christchurch. Large covered concourses, on site hospitality and heaps of food options which were also entirely possible if we'd gone for something more like Bankwest in Sydney. The stadium taking in hospitality earnings in the hours immediately prior to and after a game makes enormous sense to it's viability.
The irony in having this MUA in the city centre with limited transport access is that if it's wet, most punters will get wet on the way in from wherever to they are prior or the nearest drop off point, then arrive at a really basic venue for the event. An alternative could have been a state of the art open stadium with all of that hospitality already there. People in their thousands could arrive hours prior and soak up the hospitality rather than the rain. Extended roof cover would then shelter the vast majority from most rain.
Why would the covered stadium have basic hospitality compared to an uncovered one?
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@rapido Because for $473m you get a basic, small roofed stadium. Go the other way and spend $473m on a Bankwest-esque stadium and you get larger capacity and bells and whistles.
Are people really so oblivious to this scenario? It's what I've been bleating on about for about three years.
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@shark said in Stadium of Canterbury:
@rapido Because for $473m you get a basic, small roofed stadium. Go the other way and spend $473m on a Bankwest-esque stadium and you get larger capacity and bells and whistles.
Are people really so oblivious to this scenario? It's what I've been bleating on about for about three years.
We stopped listening
Using that Tottenham Stadium as an example is not the best. Apart from costing most of NZs GDP it was delivered late and had huge cost over-runs.
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@shark said in Stadium of Canterbury:
bells and whistle
Tottenham and Parramatta stadiums' bells and whistles hospitality are based on size and amount of use.
Parramatta won't have loads more bells and whistles because of its 5,000 extra capacity. But because it has 2 financially viable tenants playing in longer competitions (than pro RU) bringing in about 2.5 times as many match-days all year round as Christchurch (which will be basically be a one town / one team stadium).
Tottenham also, with it's average of 25 home games a season, is at 2.5. times the use of Christchurch.
No one builds loads of bars in concourses if the venue gets used bugger all, unless it is public money with no consequences ...
