Aussie Pro Rugby
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@NTA said in Aussie Rugby:
@nostrildamus said in Aussie Rugby:
what was the story, that you can share? I only heard vague rumours, was a strange end to an abbreviated era.
Wikipedia sums it up fairly well
yes I guess I meant McKenzie seemed to act suspiciously about something beyond the Beale incident-maybe he lost enough support of players but he seemed to resign very quickly over something that did not seem (or, more accurately, was not proven) to directly concern him.
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@nostrildamus said in Aussie Rugby:
yes I guess I meant McKenzie seemed to act suspiciously about something beyond the Beale incident-maybe he lost enough support of players but he seemed to resign very quickly over something that did not seem (or, more accurately, was not proven) to directly concern him.
Smoke = fire?
Player power?I also reference the incident about midweek drinking that occurred the previous EOYT:
Wallabies drop six Australia players after night out drinking in Dublin
Adam Ashley-Cooper, Nick Cummins, Tatafu Polota-Nau, Benn Robinson, Paddy Ryan and Liam Gill have all been suspended
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ah don't recall that, ok the Wallabies were a clusterknuckle then.
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@nostrildamus said in Aussie Rugby:
ah don't recall that, ok the Wallabies were a clusterknuckle then.
It will remain thus until we have a bit of a look in the mirror.
IMHO, because the players know they're guaranteed a slice of the broadcast pie under the agreement, they know they're basically able to command whatever they want, or just go overseas for more.
The current lack of alignment across the ranks is ludicrous for a sport our size, and the politics and entitlement is allowed to persist.
I watched the Waratahs v Force U16 game yesterday. It was 94-19 to the Tahs, mainly off the back of them having better individuals all over the park. To me, the cohesion looked no different between the two sides in terms of skill execution with ball in hand. Tahs scrum monstered them, but due to U19 laws can't push further than a metre or so
When you've got a backline who are the size of grown men - half of whom probably have NRL clubs sniffing around, along with some of the forwards - they're not getting challenged. Some go into the senior ranks of rugby, then come up against guys who have been part of a bigger, stronger system e.g. South Africa, France.
This applies to the coaches, too. Easy to coach a team that can run riot. Not so good for developing the skills when the going gets tough
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From the Oz - Foz in the running...
Eddie Jones fallout: All Blacks mentor in mix to coach Wallabies
EXCLUSIVE
By JESSICA HALLORAN
CHIEF SPORTS WRITER
@JessiHalloranUPDATED 12:27PM OCTOBER 30, 2023, FIRST PUBLISHED AT 11:22AM OCTOBER 30, 2023
Outgoing All Blacks coach Ian Foster is being considered as the next Wallabies coach, with former Australian coach Michael Cheika and Brumbies coach Stephen Larkham also being floated as replacements for Eddie Jones.
The Australian understands Foster, who took the All Blacks to the World Cup final but endured a heartbreaking one-point loss to South Africa, is in Rugby Australia’s sights.
The Wallabies failed to qualify for the quarter-finals for the first time in the World Cup’s 36-year history.
The off-contract Kiwi coach gave an interview to the official All Blacks website on Monday stating he had no clear plans yet for his future.
Foster told the website that while he was offered coaching positions during the World Cup, he said he wasn‘t interested in discussing them until after.
“The team deserved to have a head coach they knew was 100 per cent committed to this team right now. That‘s what I did,” Foster told allblacks.com. ”There’s no secret plans.”
Foster, who at times endured criticism during his tenure as head coach of New Zealand, led what has been described as the “least fancied’’ All Blacks World Cup history to the tournament’s final.
The All Blacks announced back in April that highly-successful Crusaders Super Rugby coach Scott Robertson would assume the role after the World Cup.
Foster had strong support from the All Blacks playing group.
“I have the utmost respect and praise for Fozzie,” All Blacks centre Rieko Ioane said after the final in Paris on Saturday. ”He has also faced adversity not only this tournament but leading into this tournament and to lead us and produce some of the footy we were able to produce is a credit to him.”
Cheika meanwhile sensationally took Argentina to the semi-finals of the World Cup for the first time and has never hidden his desire to coach the Wallabies again.
The former Wallabies coach has however been linked to a role at the NRL’s Wests Tigers.
Cheika’s contract with Argentina is due to expire with the Pumas now that their World Cup campaign is over and following their fourth place finish.
“I’ll go to Argentina later in the year and we’ll have a talk about how things went and what the future holds,” Cheika said after the Pumas final match.
Former Wallabies assistant coach Dan McKellar, who has an exit cause from his contract with Leicester, is also being touted as a candidate for the Wallabies job.
Larkham, who was the attacking coach under Cheika at the 2015 World Cup, also departed in 2019 and is being discussed as a possible replacement for Jones.
The former Wallabies star five-eighth also spent three years coaching Irish provincial side Munster. He returned to the Brumbies for the 2023 Super Rugby season.
JESSICA HALLORAN CHIEF SPORTS WRITER
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oh the lols
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I don't know what makes me laugh more, the Foster bit or Cheika to West Tigers..surely haven't both teams hurt enough
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Do the Tigers and RA share a building? Remarkably similar organisations
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@mariner4life said in Aussie Rugby:
Do the Tigers and RA share a building? Remarkably similar organisations
Nope - Concord is a good 20-30 minute drive through city traffic from Moore Park.
They share a philosophy tho: change nothing in case we lose our jobs.
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"Cheika meanwhile sensationally took Argentina to the semi-finals of the World Cup for the first time and has never hidden his desire to coach the Wallabies again."
Sensationally?
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@voodoo said in Aussie Rugby:
From the Oz - Foz in the running...
Eddie Jones fallout: All Blacks mentor in mix to coach Wallabies
EXCLUSIVE
By JESSICA HALLORAN
CHIEF SPORTS WRITER
@JessiHalloranUPDATED 12:27PM OCTOBER 30, 2023, FIRST PUBLISHED AT 11:22AM OCTOBER 30, 2023
Outgoing All Blacks coach Ian Foster is being considered as the next Wallabies coach, with former Australian coach Michael Cheika and Brumbies coach Stephen Larkham also being floated as replacements for Eddie Jones.
The Australian understands Foster, who took the All Blacks to the World Cup final but endured a heartbreaking one-point loss to South Africa, is in Rugby Australia’s sights.
The Wallabies failed to qualify for the quarter-finals for the first time in the World Cup’s 36-year history.
The off-contract Kiwi coach gave an interview to the official All Blacks website on Monday stating he had no clear plans yet for his future.
Foster told the website that while he was offered coaching positions during the World Cup, he said he wasn‘t interested in discussing them until after.
“The team deserved to have a head coach they knew was 100 per cent committed to this team right now. That‘s what I did,” Foster told allblacks.com. ”There’s no secret plans.”
Foster, who at times endured criticism during his tenure as head coach of New Zealand, led what has been described as the “least fancied’’ All Blacks World Cup history to the tournament’s final.
The All Blacks announced back in April that highly-successful Crusaders Super Rugby coach Scott Robertson would assume the role after the World Cup.
Foster had strong support from the All Blacks playing group.
“I have the utmost respect and praise for Fozzie,” All Blacks centre Rieko Ioane said after the final in Paris on Saturday. ”He has also faced adversity not only this tournament but leading into this tournament and to lead us and produce some of the footy we were able to produce is a credit to him.”
Cheika meanwhile sensationally took Argentina to the semi-finals of the World Cup for the first time and has never hidden his desire to coach the Wallabies again.
The former Wallabies coach has however been linked to a role at the NRL’s Wests Tigers.
Cheika’s contract with Argentina is due to expire with the Pumas now that their World Cup campaign is over and following their fourth place finish.
“I’ll go to Argentina later in the year and we’ll have a talk about how things went and what the future holds,” Cheika said after the Pumas final match.
Former Wallabies assistant coach Dan McKellar, who has an exit cause from his contract with Leicester, is also being touted as a candidate for the Wallabies job.
Larkham, who was the attacking coach under Cheika at the 2015 World Cup, also departed in 2019 and is being discussed as a possible replacement for Jones.
The former Wallabies star five-eighth also spent three years coaching Irish provincial side Munster. He returned to the Brumbies for the 2023 Super Rugby season.
JESSICA HALLORAN CHIEF SPORTS WRITER
Why can't you have them all? Larkham, Cheika and Foster? The coaches' box during games would be a spectacle in itself!
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oh hang on
The Australian understands Foster, who took the All Blacks to the World Cup final but endured a heartbreaking one-point loss to South Africa, is in Rugby Australia’s sights.
They couldn't even find a sign to a specsavers.
What a shame, I was looking forward to Ocker 'learnings'. -
@Chris said in Aussie Rugby:
That would add some interest in 2024 if it happened Foster coached Wallabies v Razor coached ABs the Bleidsloe Cup would be interesting.
There was certainly some added spice in that first Deans v Henry Bledisloe series in 08. OZ had their tails up after a good win in Sydney. Then there was the nail biter decider in Brissy.
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@nostrildamus said in Aussie Rugby:
Why can't you have them all? Larkham, Cheika and Foster? The coaches' box during games would be a spectacle in itself!
Cheika exploding. Larkham and Foster barely registering a pulse.
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@nostrildamus said in Aussie Rugby:
"Cheika meanwhile sensationally took Argentina to the semi-finals of the World Cup for the first time and has never hidden his desire to coach the Wallabies again."
Sensationally?
I guess the previous time they made the semis wasn't sensational enough, given that the author has obviously forgotten all about it
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@GibbonRib said in Aussie Rugby:
@nostrildamus said in Aussie Rugby:
"Cheika meanwhile sensationally took Argentina to the semi-finals of the World Cup for the first time and has never hidden his desire to coach the Wallabies again."
Sensationally?
I guess the previous time they made the semis wasn't sensational enough, given that the author has obviously forgotten all about it
Where they also came 3rd not 4th
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@Machpants said in Aussie Rugby:
@GibbonRib said in Aussie Rugby:
@nostrildamus said in Aussie Rugby:
"Cheika meanwhile sensationally took Argentina to the semi-finals of the World Cup for the first time and has never hidden his desire to coach the Wallabies again."
Sensationally?
I guess the previous time they made the semis wasn't sensational enough, given that the author has obviously forgotten all about it
Where they also came 3rd not 4th
Indeed. That game was notable as the first time a RWC featured the same fixture twice (Argentina also played France in the pool stages).
The second time it happened was 24 hours later.
Kurtley Beale - Wikipedia
