Aussie Pro Rugby
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@NTA said in Aussie Rugby in general:
@pukunui northern beaches is considered a bit of a stronghold these days. League clubs are shipping players in to fill numbers while local juniors rugby is flourishing.
That is good to hear. One thing i always found strange was the overlapping of rugby clubs/comps in sydney (and probably elsewhere). With my area in particular covered by Newport in subbies then the Rats at Shute shield level. I understand having premier grades etc but having lower grades in those clubs definitely overlaps with some of the the subbies grades. This spreads local talent out over several clubs playing at a similar level and doesn't actually provide a clear pathway to progress through the levels without "changing lanes".
This happens in cricket too, just to keep the comparison going, with park cricket, shires and grade overlapping at various levels. Eg. the better players in park cricket 1st grade are probably equivalent to 1st/2nd grade in shires and 2nd grade in grade depending on the club. Again these different levels don't actually provide a clear path to the higher levels without a complete change in club/system.
Not sure what rugby or other sports are like in NZ but i wonder if there is merit in streamlining comps and clubs a bit more. I guess its not possible without killing lots of small grass roots clubs in the process.
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@pukunui said in Aussie Rugby in general:
That is good to hear. One thing i always found strange was the overlapping of rugby clubs/comps in sydney (and probably elsewhere). With my area in particular covered by Newport in subbies then the Rats at Shute shield level. I understand having premier grades etc but having lower grades in those clubs definitely overlaps with some of the the subbies grades. This spreads local talent out over several clubs playing at a similar level and doesn't actually provide a clear pathway to progress through the levels without "changing lanes".
Its a bit shit, really.
The situation in the lower north shore is harsh - bigger clubs like Lindfield and Gordon are eating away at smaller clubs - some of whom have folded since I started playing Subbies 10 years ago. But then sometimes it goes back the other way.
Clubs like Mosman are running 5-7 Grades every week. Some other First Div Subbies clubs are barely able to get the required 4 Grades + Colts on the park.
Premier clubs like Penrith don't contest First or Second Colts, and haven't got a 4th Grade Seniors. But NSWRU and ARU won't give them the arse from Premier Division because its lip service to the west
Regardless of whether you're Premier or Subbies, the travel is fucking murder for some clubs, particularly if your first game kicks off before 11AM.
And, of course, Juniors are more locally organised, but as with your experience, you lose so many in the late-school years as the number of available positions simply dries up. Or school selective competitions get in the way for some.
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@NTA Blacktown is a fucking hovel. You should have them kicked out of the comp. For the benefit of mankind.
@NTA said in Aussie Rugby in general:
Premier clubs like Penrith don't contest First or Second Colts, and haven't got a 4th Grade Seniors. But NSWRU and ARU won't give them the arse from Premier Division because its lip service to the west
Because the decent players get stolen by the eastern clubs. If they could hold onto their talent they'd be competitive.
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@antipodean in further bad news for the "hold onto talent" proposition: Parramatta won U12 and Penrith U13 this year's state champs.
So uni and Eastwood can look forward to some talent coming over in a few years
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@mariner4life any comment?
FNQ Rugby has again been plagued by match forfeits with only one of the scheduled three games taking place in Round 12.
Cairns Wanderers and Innisfail and District Rugby Club were both forced to forfeit their games on Saturday due to a lack of playing numbers.
Forfeits have been commonplace in the competition in 2017, as well as two teams dropping out of the reserve grade.
FNQ Rugby competitions manager John Pirie is unsure if Wanderers and Innisfail will be able to finish the season out.
“Both the clubs have been battling all year for player retention,” Pirie said.
“They are trying to recruit new people to the club.
“The forfeits are extremely worrying, participation has fallen through the floor across the state.
“We are pretty concerned.”
In the game that was completed, Northern Beaches Mudcrabs claimed an exciting one-point win over Brothers at West Barlow park.
Mudcrabs coach Andrew Derrington was pleased to beat a strong Brothers outfit.
“The last 10-15 minutes of the game was really frantic and our guys really dug in deep,” Derrington said.
“It is a big positive for us.
“It went the other way the last time we played them so it is great to turn the tables this time.”
FNQ Rugby round 12
Cairns Wanderers forfeit v Barron-Trinity Bulls
Innisfail & District Rugby Club forfeit v Southside Crusaders
Northern Beaches Mudcrabs Rugby Union Club 19 d Brothers RUC 18
Bye JCU Mariners -
I'd follow that up by noting that across Subbies we had 7 forfeits over the weekend - including a couple of lower division clubs playing NO rugby at all i.e. forfeiting their First Grade and Second Grade where they have one.
There are about 78 scheduled games across the competition (Grade and Colts) per weekend, so that's nearly 10%.
We had 17 guys to play 2 games. I played both at THP. Punish.
EDIT: We're now looking like only 1 game this weekend out of the 3 we should be playing in our Division. A couple of guys are hunting Kiwis on the Lions tour, one bloke just told me he can't risk the injuries any more because of work (Army), and two more got actually got injured playing too many minutes.
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@NTA said in Aussie Rugby in general:
@mariner4life any comment?
FNQ Rugby has again been plagued by match forfeits with only one of the scheduled three games taking place in Round 12.
Cairns Wanderers and Innisfail and District Rugby Club were both forced to forfeit their games on Saturday due to a lack of playing numbers.
Forfeits have been commonplace in the competition in 2017, as well as two teams dropping out of the reserve grade.
FNQ Rugby competitions manager John Pirie is unsure if Wanderers and Innisfail will be able to finish the season out.
“Both the clubs have been battling all year for player retention,” Pirie said.
“They are trying to recruit new people to the club.
“The forfeits are extremely worrying, participation has fallen through the floor across the state.
“We are pretty concerned.”
In the game that was completed, Northern Beaches Mudcrabs claimed an exciting one-point win over Brothers at West Barlow park.
Mudcrabs coach Andrew Derrington was pleased to beat a strong Brothers outfit.
“The last 10-15 minutes of the game was really frantic and our guys really dug in deep,” Derrington said.
“It is a big positive for us.
“It went the other way the last time we played them so it is great to turn the tables this time.”
FNQ Rugby round 12
Cairns Wanderers forfeit v Barron-Trinity Bulls
Innisfail & District Rugby Club forfeit v Southside Crusaders
Northern Beaches Mudcrabs Rugby Union Club 19 d Brothers RUC 18
Bye JCU MarinersNo comment. JCU have two full sides. Barron-Trinity have two strong sides (and will probably win both grades). Southside i am pretty sure have two sides. The rest are fucked. Innisfail returned to first grade for the first time in years, and promptly lost all their players. Wanderers first dropped reserve grade, and now don't have a first grade. Mudcrabs last year had huge numbers, but now have dropped reserve grade. Brothers have dropped reserve grade. Port Douglas, a side that has only been first grade for ages, and have won two premierships in the last 10 years, have fallen away completely.
Numbers are through the floor in all codes here in Cairns. League is down by a third, AFL as well (and one AFL first grade side is so rubbish they get hosed by 200+ every week). But rugby is feeling it the most, because they came from the lowest point. It's only a couple of years since most teams had two sides, and only occassionaly had to back up some players (something a couple of clubs have decided against this year). Add in the ARU's brilliant individual registration meaning there is an unwillingness for the casual player to front up and help out, and you get the above.
There is no money, the QRU care factor is nil, the entire comp is run by unpaid volunteers. Juniors play a two month season after all the other codes just to try an get players. Rugby in Cairns is looking terminal unfortunately. And this is despite population growth. The nature of the work here, and the rubbish state of the rugby insurance means that most guys cannot risk getting hurt playing code.
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@mariner4life said in Aussie Rugby in general:
The nature of the work here,
In terms of contract setup or working Saturdays?
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@NTA most guys are tradies or in tourism. Get hurt, can't go to work monday? don't get paid.
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@mariner4life similar here - lot of shift workers, warehouse guys, and tradies. I don't have access to the white collar office johnnies that the eastern suburbs do, for some reason. Even though a lot of them live around here and commute.
Team we played on the weekend had a handful of Indian guys. I've got a shitload of Indians living in my suburb so maybe I need to start targeting them?
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Also: its not just players.
On the weekend, while most of my club played two games back to back, the ref had to do the same and had been told so beforehand. Neither club had a qualified AR on hand, either (our three were out on the field). The week before, I had to ref Third Grade after the scheduled ref didn't get the change of times.
I have been speaking to MvJ and he said he'd given reffing the arse for this year as he was sick of the bullshit. He has a genuine point: refs often get treated like shit, particularly by the private schools and premier rugby.
My club is taking pains to be courteous to refs++, particularly when we're hosting games. Free food, free drink (soft or hard), and use of the limited facilities we have.
And, as we're on the end of a thrashing more often than not, we're not really having any discipline issues with them.
++Although as Third Grade captain on the weekend I got extremely frustrated that the ref wasn't calling the other team for offside. I decided to walk around the back of one ruck and kick the ball away as the 9 was about to pick it up
Not my best move but I had a laugh with him about it afterwards 
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@NTA, feel your pain Nick.
The Hornsby under 19s team of a few years ago won the Upper North Shore comp and many of the players still qualified for the U19's again the next year.But that next year, the majority of the team didn't return as they were being paid to play by... Gordon, Lindfield, etc.
Poaching from other teams, especially the small clubs like Hornsby and Wahroonga (where my allegiances lay) by the bigger boys of the lower, middle and upper North Shore is absolutely rife.
The only reason Hornsby has been able to field a 1st and 2nd grade team is players backing up and many are oldies from Wahroonga and Hornsby GO's.
I'm not game to play that shite even though they keep asking me so kudos to you for playing.
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@NTA
But we all know that there are still a lot of payments being made, just out of site.
I've even heard of Colts players being offered jobs and the like.
I certainly know that there are some 1st players who get a case or two of beer to show up at Hornsby.
Speaking of which, there is a GO's gala day at Hornsby next weekend, the 15th if you are interested in a run with the Wahroonga Toothless Tigers
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@jegga said in Aussie Rugby in general:
This shit again?
Fuck. Right. Off
Because SA js starting to align themselves with Europe ... I can see why the Aussies are pushing to break up super rugby
that said, the Saffer bring in all the $$$, so not sure how good the party will be without them.
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