Black Caps in India
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@Donsteppa said in Black Caps in India:
@MN5 said in Black Caps in India:
@Donsteppa said in Black Caps in India:
@MN5 said in Black Caps in India:
@No-Quarter said in Black Caps in India:
@Donsteppa said in Black Caps in India:
The great work of 2014/15 is slowly but surely unravelling...
Yeah, for all of Baz's flaws as a player it's not so much his leadership we are missing, but the huge fucking hole he has left at number 5. So much pressure on Kane and Rosco (who is hopelessly out of form) to score the bulk of the runs with one dodgy opener and a weak as piss tail.
This series was always going to be tough, and mentally as much as anything losing the toss in every fucking test put us behind the 8 ball. Don't forget the exact same thing happened to SA recently and they are a pretty handy team.
Once the boys get home for the summer I'm confident we'll put some good perfomances on the board. I already picked up tickets to take the boy to the ODI vs Aussie on Auckland Anniversary day so I hope they'd better find some form before then!
No excuse for the weak tail, every single bloke can hold a bat, our number 11 has a test 50 and is a very good hitter for a slight guy.
As for number 5 is it time to see what J Ryder is up to ?
At the same time as seeing how much of a difference Jeetan Pat... oh...
Well they were happy to use Luke Ronchi there and he's hardly the future.....
And are we happy with the choices that "Macca" and Hesson are making? I though Ronchi made a good go at being asked to bat five and not keep, but it highlighted that Nicholls isnt' making the step up.
On the whole, we always have to make at least one tough selection choice for the bowlers, but for the batsmen we're struggling to find six of them
And are we happy ewith
The team insisted on playing spinners cos it supposedly suited the conditions more. They still got hammered. Perhaps they should have gone with their "strengths" ( relatively speaking ) and gone in with the seamers after all ?
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The team insisted on playing spinners cos it supposedly suited the conditions more. They still got hammered. Perhaps they should have gone with their "strengths" ( relatively speaking ) and gone in with the seamers after all ?
Would have helped if Neesham was fit before the third test I suppose, or if Sodhi would kick on...
I see Coriander Son is joining the team for the shorter format games as a batsman only.
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@MN5 said in Black Caps in India:
@Donsteppa said in Black Caps in India:
@MN5 said in Black Caps in India:
@Donsteppa said in Black Caps in India:
@MN5 said in Black Caps in India:
@No-Quarter said in Black Caps in India:
@Donsteppa said in Black Caps in India:
The great work of 2014/15 is slowly but surely unravelling...
Yeah, for all of Baz's flaws as a player it's not so much his leadership we are missing, but the huge fucking hole he has left at number 5. So much pressure on Kane and Rosco (who is hopelessly out of form) to score the bulk of the runs with one dodgy opener and a weak as piss tail.
This series was always going to be tough, and mentally as much as anything losing the toss in every fucking test put us behind the 8 ball. Don't forget the exact same thing happened to SA recently and they are a pretty handy team.
Once the boys get home for the summer I'm confident we'll put some good perfomances on the board. I already picked up tickets to take the boy to the ODI vs Aussie on Auckland Anniversary day so I hope they'd better find some form before then!
No excuse for the weak tail, every single bloke can hold a bat, our number 11 has a test 50 and is a very good hitter for a slight guy.
As for number 5 is it time to see what J Ryder is up to ?
At the same time as seeing how much of a difference Jeetan Pat... oh...
Well they were happy to use Luke Ronchi there and he's hardly the future.....
And are we happy with the choices that "Macca" and Hesson are making? I though Ronchi made a good go at being asked to bat five and not keep, but it highlighted that Nicholls isnt' making the step up.
On the whole, we always have to make at least one tough selection choice for the bowlers, but for the batsmen we're struggling to find six of them
And are we happy ewith
The team insisted on playing spinners cos it supposedly suited the conditions more. They still got hammered. Perhaps they should have gone with their "strengths" ( relatively speaking ) and gone in with the seamers after all ?
That's John Wright's theory.
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The spinners worked for the ODIs, but not for tests.
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Wasn't the first test with 3 spinners NZs best test?
And considering how shit we are first test of an away series normally that effort probably deserves an OBE and double icc ranking points.
Should have stuck to his guns .....
Ok, it was mainly Wagner bouncing them out.
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The last few years, back when we were good. Has really shown me how much fun cricket can be when your team can bat. Even though I enjoyed the Southee and Boult show.
I gave this series a wide berth as a viewer. While I was interested in seeing how our spinners would go in spinning conditions but v good players of spin, it wasn't enough for me to give a f&@k .
No batting, no point.
This coming from someone who hates fuckibg batsmen.
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@Donsteppa said in Black Caps in India:
You have to wonder what Craig McMillan offers to the side these days besides fuck all.
You mean this guy coaching batting against spin?
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@Siam said in Black Caps in India:
@Donsteppa said in Black Caps in India:
You have to wonder what Craig McMillan offers to the side these days besides fuck all.
You mean this guy coaching batting against spin?
Exactly, what could possibly go wrong?
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A big bit of the "we were good a couple of years ago!" misses the point we looked a million bucks playing India in NZ. Where they have been awful forever. We are not playing India in NZ now. India destroyed Aussie (who 4-0'd us last year) & SA (who just raped us). Its not like this is a shock. Drop Baz in at 5 I'm not sold he'd have scored any more than Ronchi, his last tour there (2012) he was shit.
That golden age was a terrible fucking Windies team in NZ, India who are terrible on tour, in NZ, an England in disarray in NZ (and we couldn't beat them), and a superb away win v the Pakistanis thatnks to a Baz special, but in a game where no one seemed to want to play or know if they were allowed to bowl short or fast or WTF was going on.
There's a lot of fucking delusion ahead of this series. There was talk re Wagner being fastest kiwi to 100 wickets.. we are still waiting, Kane v Kolhi no contest!!! Too fucking right, Jadaja scored the same number of runs as Kane etc...
I agree re Macca, I have less idea WTF he is doing there than I had what Dimi Masacaranas was doing coaching the quicks..
@No-Quarter said in Black Caps in India:
According to gollum's recent reports Ryder's form has fallen away. I wouldn't want him picked again anyway.
Yeah, axed by Essex for being shithouse. Adored by all at the club, but just not any good anymore
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Kane v Kohli is still no contest regardless of the results. Kane shits all over Kohli in tests, and one big score at home doesn't change that.
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@No-Quarter said in Black Caps in India:
Kane v Kohli is still no contest regardless of the results. Kane shits all over Kohli in tests, and one big score at home doesn't change that.
I agree, I think Kane is a better test batsman, but the vibe on here was Kane was going to show Kohli up in this series.
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@gollum said in Black Caps in India:
@No-Quarter said in Black Caps in India:
Kane v Kohli is still no contest regardless of the results. Kane shits all over Kohli in tests, and one big score at home doesn't change that.
I agree, I think Kane is a better test batsman, but the vibe on here was Kane was going to show Kohli up in this series.
The life of a Black Caps fan is full of optimism followed by heartbreak. That shit is par for the course. But, Kane outplaying Kohli was actually a pretty logical conclusion to draw given their records. Kohli will probably score 5x tons in the 5 ODIs though.
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I see that everyone's favourite Sikh (Harbhajan) is critical of the doctored pitches India have used at home in the last few years because he didn't get to play on such spinner-friendly pitches. He really is a dickhead.
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@Bovidae said in Black Caps in India:
I see that everyone's favourite Sikh (Harbhajan) is critical of the doctored pitches India have used at home in the last few years because he didn't get to play on such spinner-friendly pitches. He really is a dickhead.
Especially when it was pointed out to him that Kolkata was actually a seaming pitch. He was a great player, but a fucking moron. The press conference was great, they quoted him & Kohli got his tail up & went "WHO SAID THAT!" & they went "Harby" & he went "oh, fine, next".
He was just about to go off then they pointed out he'd be beating up the special needs kid.
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@gollum said in Black Caps in India:
@Bovidae said in Black Caps in India:
I see that everyone's favourite Sikh (Harbhajan) is critical of the doctored pitches India have used at home in the last few years because he didn't get to play on such spinner-friendly pitches. He really is a dickhead.
Especially when it was pointed out to him that Kolkata was actually a seaming pitch. He was a great player, but a fucking moron. The press conference was great, they quoted him & Kohli got his tail up & went "WHO SAID THAT!" & they went "Harby" & he went "oh, fine, next".
He was just about to go off then they pointed out he'd be beating up the special needs kid.
Remember when he got TWO consecutive centuries against the BCs in 2010 ? I just about gave up on the fuckers there and then from memory.....
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I'm beginning to think the toss is rigged in India... at least it doesn't mean as much in the ODIs.
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Groundhog day. Lose the toss, fail to bat.
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Lol 48/5, I'm out.
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Increasingly looks like the only thing Mike Hesson has got right in his tenure was appointing Baz captain.
Lucky for Hesson's sake it turned out to be a big thing. Shame then that Baz had to retire..
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Just turned the cricket on
55 for 5.
Why do I even pretend to start to hope?
Normal service appears to have resumed for NZ cricket after 2 years of optimism.
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Never fear, Simon Doull has arrived in the commentary box to save us....
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65/6. How the fuck Macca has a job is beyond me.
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65 for 6???
6????
Fuck...
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65/7. Latham looking like carrying his bat.
Macca and Hessson will no doubt be "taking the positives" from this tour once again #BlitheringFools. #CoachingAndSelectingFoodbills.
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And the hat trick ...
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Single
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@Donsteppa said in Black Caps in India:
65/6. How the fuck Macca has a job is beyond me.
You think we could get away without a batting coach?
Jesus - this is a humiliation!
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Thank fuck I'm going to bed soon.
Fuck cricket.
(and league ... (which is a given ...))
(and netball ... )
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@Chris-B. said in Black Caps in India:
@Donsteppa said in Black Caps in India:
65/6. How the fuck Macca has a job is beyond me.
You think we could get away without a batting coach?
Jesus - this is a humiliation!
Macca takes his coaching lead from the How to Bat Like Chris Martin DVD collection.
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Some of these thoughts are a bit late.
Get farked, fark off Luke Ronchi you useless spud. Just can't bat with any responsibility whenever the situation requires it. EVER!Hope Tom Latham can bat through for a hundy. Just needs someone to stick around. At least we don't have Tim Southee batting today... oh wait. Fark.
Man are we hopelessly out of form. Could be a long summer.
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@Donsteppa To be fair, google tells me he's been our batting coach for more than two years so he's been going alright for part of it. We seem to have been afflicted by numptyism for this match in particular.
At least we're past our lowest ever ODI total - got to get past 103 to beat our worst vs India and in India.
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@Chris-B. said in Black Caps in India:
At least we're past our lowest ever ODI total - got to get past 103 to beat our worst vs India and in India.
just...
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@westcoastie said in Black Caps in India:
Some of these thoughts are a bit late.
Get farked, fark off Luke Ronchi you useless spud. Just can't bat with any responsibility whenever the situation requires it. EVER!Hope Tom Latham can bat through for a hundy. Just needs someone to stick around. At least we don't have Tim Southee batting today... oh wait. Fark.
Man are we hopelessly out of form. Could be a long summer.
Southee should open the batting next match at this rate...
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165/8 at the 40 over mark. That is actually quite a good recovery. Southee and Latham putting up a bit of fight.
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190 all out. Glad I watched the final few overs of our innings after wearily checking cricinfo to see Southee get going.
Credit to Latham, played exactly the innings we want from him every game. Now we just need the other 5 blokes in the top 6 to score more then 19 fucking runs.
Looking forward to waking up tomorrow to news of Southee taking 7-20 to complete one of the finest all round performances of all time...
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Kudos to Latham and Southee for at least giving us a total to bowl at. Latham has been the standout batsman on this tour so far for us.
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@No-Quarter 0-57... seems he's a specialist batsman these days?
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And I'd missed that Latham did indeed carry his bat. Legendary:
Openers to bat through an ODI innings and be not out when the final wicket fell:
Grant Flower 84no (total 205), Zimbabwe v England in Sydney, Dec 1994
Saeed Anwar 103no (total 219), Pakistan v Zimbabwe in Harare, Feb 1995
Nick Knight 125no (total 246), England v Pakistan in Nottingham, Sep 1996
Ridley Jacobs 49no (total 110), West Indies v Australia in Manchester, May 1999
Damien Martyn 116no (total 191), Australia v New Zealand in Auckland, Mar 2000
Herschelle Gibbs 59no (total 101), South Africa v Pakistan in Sharjah, Mar 2000
Alec Stewart 100no (total 192), England v West Indies in Nottingham, Jul 2000
Javed Omar 33no (total 103), Bangladesh v Zimbabwe in Harare, Apr 2001
Azhar Ali 81no (total 199), Pakistan v Sri Lanka in Colombo, Jun 2012
Tom Latham 79no (total 190), New Zealand v India in Dharamsala, Oct 2016 -
@reprobate said in Black Caps in India:
@No-Quarter 0-57... seems he's a specialist batsman these days?
A batting allrounder, I reckon we use him as a pinch hitter like we used to use Adams. Chuck him at 3 or opening and see if he can get 40 odd quick runs.
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@No-Quarter said in Black Caps in India:
@reprobate said in Black Caps in India:
@No-Quarter 0-57... seems he's a specialist batsman these days?
A batting allrounder, I reckon we use him as a pinch hitter like we used to use Adams. Chuck him at 3 or opening and see if he can get 40 odd quick runs.
Well one of the other "all rounders" made a great return with the bat getting third highest score, Doug Bracewell will be thrilled with that.
Shame it was only 15 runs.
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