Black Caps in India
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He may be thinking WTF Hesson - that's not a theory that should have been tested.
Jeets in for Craig is a no-brainer. Then it's a question of whether you play Neesham (or even Nicholls) almost exclusively as an extra batsman, because Ish doesn't look up to it. On the other hand he did pick up a few wickets.
I think they've locked in Guppy for the duration, but if he can't make some runs then surely it's last chance saloon for him?
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The worst thing is that Kohli had two failures in this test and India still scored 300+ in both innings. You just know he's going to cash in in one of the next 2 tests.
If we can't take 20 wickets we need to strengthen the batting and give the bowlers a decent total to defend.
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I'd be tempted top open with Ronchi and Nicholls at five, but I'm not sure that Nicholls has any more chance of success than Guptill.... so... ...?
- Latham
- Guptil/local street kid
- Williamson
- Taylor (after being made to practice his running with said local street kids)
- Ronchi
- Neesham
- Santner
- Watling
- Patel
- Boult
- Wagner
Alternatives being to
- swap Ronchi and Guptil's position in the order for the "Guppy would be better at 5" brigade to be given a go.
- Ronchi open and Nicholls at 5
On balance, I'd stick with Guptil for the rest of the series.
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@Donsteppa said in Black Caps in India:
@Chris-B. Second test I'd bring in Jeets for Craig, and then Neesham in for Sodhi.
... Though I wonder whether Gollum needs anyone other than Jeets and Watling in the team, surely the other nine are superfluous.
Is Gollum just late in signing in today, or has he spontaneously combusted on reading the news?
I am late, but also now there is a chance that Jeets will go for 200/0 and I will diminished in the eyes of the fern. So its a bit like Eddie the Eagle at the top of the ski jump moment for my credability. Of which I have so much. Its a toughie. Tho' to be fair he just has to bowl better than Craig would have.
In reality we all know they will name him 12th man & pick Neesham who will shit his own spine out mid delivery in his second over, thus giving everyone a win in the "I fucking KNEW IT!" stakes.
On the DRS issue, the bit I genuinely don't get is what in it for India to ban it? The original ban seemed to flat out be a case of Sachin & Dhoni getting a couple of bad DRS calls & having a hissy fit & having the power to dictate to the board. But now?
A lot of people are on boiard the "cheating fuckers!" bandwagon, but I don't followe the logic of that. Test umpires are impartial, its not like there's 2 Indians standing, Paul Reifel sawed Ronchi off, and before that Watling was absolutely plumb & it got turned down, much to Simon Doulls amusement on comentary.
The big benefactor from DRS has been spin - especially off spin. Graham Swann talked about how DRS salavaged his career, especially front pad LBW, Danny Vetorri stopped trying to spin & started just targeting pads etc. So if you have spinners - good spinners, DRS is a huge help. And India have a few spinners - and mostly off spinners. And also batsmen who can play spin well. So banning DRS helps them (from the cheating fuckers! argument) how?
Re Ronchi, while taking a guy who just had a great test at 5 & stuffing him into open would be in line with almost all NZ selectors in the past 30 odd years, it doesn't make a lot of sense to me & even post Edgar the current selectors have been saner than our usual idiots, so I'm hoping he stays at 5.
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The all decisions even themselves out argument is flawed if KW gets a shocker compared to Guppy - we all know Guppy could get 5 LBW reprieves and not make a run whereas KW could bat all day if he escapes a marginal call.
What really shits me though is that I can't see what Hawkeye would have said about it so my righteous indignation is curbed. It also enables Doull to talk himself into saying "it's a great decision" even when he really has no idea
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@mimic said in Black Caps in India:
Does it matter if Ronchi opens or bats at 5 in india? They're gonna start with spin anyway..
Dunno, its often a pshycological thing. Guys who are outstanding at 5 & shithouse at 4. Look a Rahul Dravid, incredible no. 3, often when India had a guarenteed wicket opening, but move him up to open & he hated it & his average dropped 5 runs. Michael Clarke averaged 60 at 5, 30 at 4.
Ronchi has spent his career batting in the middle / lower middle order. I'm in the "it aint broke dony fix it camp". Plus if we move Guppy to 5 for 2 tests & he averages 29 hat have we learned? Its almost "here you go mate, either score 100 in a new slot, in India, on turners, against one of the top spinners of the last 20 years or your career is over, no presure"
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@gollum said in Black Caps in India:
Jimmy Neesham is still, shocklingly, crocked. So wont be playing in the second test
Jeets flights got fucked, so he arrives 24 hours before the start of the next test.
Getting your excuses re: Jeets in early, good to see.
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@gollum said in Black Caps in India:
Ronchi has spent his career batting in the middle / lower middle order. I'm in the "it aint broke dony fix it camp". Plus if we move Guppy to 5 for 2 tests & he averages 29 hat have we learned? Its almost "here you go mate, either score 100 in a new slot, in India, on turners, against one of the top spinners of the last 20 years or your career is over, no presure"
I think they probably locked Guppy in as the opener for all the tests when they left Raval at home. In part, that might have been a psychological ploy to give Guppy confidence that his place isn't on a knife edge (i.e. he's got 6 chances to make runs) and in part it might have been, well we're not going to throw Raval to the Indian spinners on debut. Pakistan at home might be an easier start.
Agree - leave Ronchi at five.
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@No-Quarter said in Black Caps in India:
@gollum said in Black Caps in India:
Jimmy Neesham is still, shocklingly, crocked. So wont be playing in the second test
Jeets flights got fucked, so he arrives 24 hours before the start of the next test.
Getting your excuses re: Jeets in early, good to see.
I'll double down -
"175 Wickets for offspinner Jeetan Patel in first-class matches since the start of 2015, the most by any bowler. He has been included in the squad in place of injured Mark Craig. He last played a Test in January 2013. This year, so far, he has taken 84 wickets in 22 first-class matches, also the most by any bowler. "
Also Kane has the squirts apparently but should be ok to
shit himself while battingplay -
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FFS. At least we have Jeets to spin us to victory...
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@No-Quarter said in Black Caps in India:
FFS. At least we have Jeets to spin us to victory...
....and I thought my post was full of shit......
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I've changed my avatar as a show of support for @gollum and Jeets.
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Ah, fuck it. India wins the toss AGAIN.
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@No-Quarter said in Black Caps in India:
I've changed my avatar as a show of support for @gollum and Jeets.
Bring back Paul Wiseman and Matthew Hart
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Christ - not content with a 197 run victory in the first test (or perhaps in terror of The Jeetan) the Indians have recruited Suzi to nobble Kane.
To be fair, she's fairly ubiquitous over there - they recruited her to nobble me last time I was there and I doubt a bit of gentle legspin that doesn't turn was likely to threaten them!
