Black Caps in India
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@newsjunkie said in Black Caps in India:
Dude you can believe what you want. Hawkeye is the vendor I referred to earlier. Now BCCI is not going to say frankly that hey we were not able to negotiate favorable terms with Hawkeye so we don't want it. And they definitely can't get away with saying we don't support it because of the cost since they make billions of dollars in profit. If they accept it on away tours, they would have no justification to refuse it for home tours. They will hide behind platitudes about cricket, machine errors, and other PR statements. I even pointed out that now the players are supportive of DRS so the BCCI will probably end up accepting DRS in the near future.
I broke it down already in my previous posts. But if you want to believe in conspiracy theories about Lbws, then you can join those Pakistanis who believe 9/11 was a CIA conspiracy and that their cricket team only loses if their players fix matches.
So we've sat through a decade of irrational DRS allocation and legislation all because of a failed vendor/ buyer dispute?
Winger's username already taken huh champ?
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@newsjunkie Just to clarify something. There is no need at all for BCCI to purchase equipment for DRS. They just need to do as other countries do and pay Hawkeye to set up at tests during the test.
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@newsjunkie said in Black Caps in India:
@Siam Also keep in mind, India played one series (against SL) using DRS and the players were not happy about how the 'umpire's call' worked. Tendulkar and Dhoni were strongly against it. This gave BCCI enough paper cover to justify their dollar-driven decision.
They didn't like the fact that when the technology can not produce a conclusive answer it goes back to the umpires call? WTF?
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@newsjunkie said in Black Caps in India:
Dude you can believe what you want. Hawkeye is the vendor I referred to earlier. Now BCCI is not going to say frankly that hey we were not able to negotiate favorable terms with Hawkeye so we don't want it. And they definitely can't get away with saying we don't support it because of the cost since they make billions of dollars in profit. If they accept it on away tours, they would have no justification to refuse it for home tours. They will hide behind platitudes about cricket, machine errors, and other PR statements. I even pointed out that now the players are supportive of DRS so the BCCI will probably end up accepting DRS in the near future.
Newsjunkie - do you know whether Hawkeye offers the same (flat rate) terms to all the international boards or, have they recognized that the BCCI is Daddy Warbucks and can afford to pay more so they're aiming to make them pay more?
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For KW's second innings dismissal, a Hawkeye view of it would have been very interesting. The ball pitched pretty wide then spun back to hit right in front. Without knowing how far away from the stumps he is, the umpire is guessing as to whether it would hit the stumps - must have been a fair chance it was going down the legside.
Anyway, their spinners are better than our spinners - only Santner was able to apply any pressure, Craig and Sodhi were dishing up regular buffet balls and hence the scoring rate rattled along.
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So why can't the broadcaster use the tech just for the tv audience?
It's obvious the bcci has either something to hide or just wants to throw some weight around. Either way it's a ridiculous situation for paying tv spectators
The drs usage debate in no way diminishes India's probable winning performance in this match. They've played well and deserve the win
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@KiwiPie said in Black Caps in India:
For KW's second innings dismissal, a Hawkeye view of it would have been very interesting. The ball pitched pretty wide then spun back to hit right in front. Without knowing how far away from the stumps he is, the umpire is guessing as to whether it would hit the stumps - must have been a fair chance it was going down the legside.
Anyway, their spinners are better than our spinners - only Santner was able to apply any pressure, bolded textCraig and Sodhi were dishing up regular buffet balls and hence the scoring rate rattled along.
bolded text......and this was a surprise ?
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@Siam said in Black Caps in India:
So why can't the broadcaster use the tech just for the tv audience?
That would really be hanging out the umpires to dry. It's pretty noticeable that - compared to the forensic examination decisions get in e.g. Australia, with endless replays and angles - we're getting only a couple of replays and the commentators are pretty rapidly going with "Excellent decision, blah blah". Their eyes are apparently a damn site faster than mine at picking up what's happened.
I would have liked to see a couple of super slow mo's of Guptill's dismissal - to see whether the ball had any prospect of clipping the ground somewhere. Similarly, at the end of the Indian first innings the strangle of Yadav - definitely came off the hip - I needed at least one more look to watch the glove to check it actually hit.... and never got it.
Could be age catching up with me - but, I want more replays!
I missed Kane's decision, but sounds similar to one shortly before that Rossco got a not out for. Commentators thought he was lucky, but I thought the ball turned so sharply that it would have quickly gone across and wide of the stumps.
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@Chris-B. said in Black Caps in India:
@Siam said in Black Caps in India:
So why can't the broadcaster use the tech just for the tv audience?
That would really be hanging out the umpires to dry. It's pretty noticeable that - compared to the forensic examination decisions get in e.g. Australia, with endless replays and angles - we're getting only a couple of replays and the commentators are pretty rapidly going with "Excellent decision, blah blah". Their eyes are apparently a damn site faster than mine at picking up what's happened.
I would have liked to see a couple of super slow mo's of Guptill's dismissal - to see whether the ball had any prospect of clipping the ground somewhere. Similarly, at the end of the Indian first innings the strangle of Yadav - definitely came off the hip - I needed at least one more look to watch the glove to check it actually hit.... and never got it.
Could be age catching up with me - but, I want more replays!
I missed Kane's decision, but sounds similar to one shortly before that Rossco got a not out for. Commentators thought he was lucky, but I thought the ball turned so sharply that it would have quickly gone across and wide of the stumps.
Yeah Chris I was being a tad facetious.
There's currently only one mob hanging the umpires out to dry and it's simply not acceptable. No doubt the spirit of cricket is alive and well though...
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@KiwiMurph said in Black Caps in India:
Pretty fair effort by the Black Caps in this test considering this is the first test in India for 6 of the 11 players or something like that. Have pushed the game to lunch on Day 5.
After losing a critical toss as well. If we win the toss we're every chance of beating them.
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@No-Quarter said in Black Caps in India:
After losing a critical toss as well. If we win the toss we're every chance of beating them.That might be a bit optimistic.
Pitch doesn't seem to have become the Day 5 nightmare predicted - or that it looked like happening on Day 2.
It's a bit frustrating that Guppy and Latham went quite as cheaply and Rossco committed harakiri. That's his seventh run out. If he'd avoided all those he'd have a 50 average!
Between them they had the talent to bat nearly enough time for a draw. We'll only end up about three hours short!
p.s. I recant on all the mean things I might have said about Jeetan. Who would have known Gollum's theory would be put to the test!
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mopping up now. Decent effort, but i think some are over-playing the losing of the toss. India scored easily in the 3rd innings, so we should have done better with our 2nd to be in with a hope. We've scored 230+ in the 4th, the pitch can't have been too bad.
Good tests from Santner, Ronchi, and Kane. Okay for a couple of others. Not a bad effort, but room for improvement.
