Southland v Hawke's Bay
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Well, it's nice to get a bonus point win, but that's about it.
The Magpies still can't tackle. We just had much more possession and, therefore, try scoring opportunities because Southland was worse than us. If we hadn't given away so many penalties in our own half - also thanks to Jackson - and Hawera hadn't been such a good kicker (I think he's among the top kickers in M10 Cup), the points difference would have been a lot bigger. Against most other opponents, we would have struggled again though, because we wouldn't have so much possession and given away even more penalties in our own half.
Jackson was so blind that he should wear +20 glasses. He didn't see Southland's knock-ons & forward passes, but penalised the Magpies for a Southland knock-on and sent West to the bin for nothing. Maybe to compensate because as a hometown ref he regretted sending the Southland player to the bin?
Ihaia's goal kicking: he should get some advice from the league coach (forgot who it was) who managed to convert Mo'unga from a terrible kicker into a good kicker half-way through the Super season.
On a positive note: the 6 tries and the bonus point win will be good for self-confidence. Hopefully that will translate into improvement. Ta$man isn't going that well this season, so a win should be possible. A 9 day break should provide plenty of time to rest up and train on our weaknesses. Not having high hopes though. It just isn't our year.
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@Stargazer said in Southland v Hawke's Bay:
Ta$man isn't going that well this season, so a win should be possible. A 9 day break should provide plenty of time to rest up and train on our weaknesses. Not having high hopes though. It just isn't our year.
That's being a bit optimistic. They are our bogey team and damn Marty Banks always plays a blinder against us. Even when we are having a good year they seem to tip us up so lord only knows what they will do to us in a bad year. If it was Northland you were referring to then I might agree with you! Hell I'm very worried about the prospect of losing to the Steamers and the ramifications should that eventuate.
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@Higgins said in Southland v Hawke's Bay:
@Stargazer said in Southland v Hawke's Bay:
Ta$man isn't going that well this season, so a win should be possible. A 9 day break should provide plenty of time to rest up and train on our weaknesses. Not having high hopes though. It just isn't our year.
That's being a bit optimistic. They are our bogey team and damn Marty Banks always plays a blinder against us. Even when we are having a good year they seem to tip us up so lord only knows what they will do to us in a bad year. If it was Northland you were referring to then I might agree with you! Hell I'm very worried about the prospect of losing to the Steamers and the ramifications should that eventuate.
That's why I said "should be" and not "is", and included the last two sentences.
I actually fear this may have been our one and only win of the season, and that a lot of our guys will also miss out of a SR contract for next season, particularly Tony Lamborn (he was only in Canes WTG) and Hugh Renton (injured again, and Canes have signed Reed Prinsep), Mark Abbott and Geoff Cridge (Canes signed Lousi
), Ryan Tongia, Robbie Fruean (too many injuries, so little game time) and Gareth Evans (hardly game time for Landers, and now not playing because of season ending injury). Youngsters Emerson and Lowe might not get a proper look into because of the bad season; I had hoped at least for WTG spots, esp for Lowe, but maybe not likely now (also because of Canes' bias for Welly school boys). -
@Stargazer Don't think I agree with Shane Hurndell when he said we've turned a corner. But after watching Northland play Ta$man it showed that they can, with the right tactics be beaten at McLean Park next weekend. Northland showed that Ta$man did not respond well to the pick and go up the middle. If the Bay can replicate that with more intensity Brad Webber and Ihia West may feed of it. They also showed that Fonotia and Havili don't like a defence that is in their face cutting down time and space. Marty Banks showed class as usual but he too showed flaws under pressure. Ta$man are a team used to getting their own way, deny them that constantly and they can crack. I also noticed towards the end a bit of dissension in there ranks.The gestures between Banks and Christie didn't look that assuring. A good break for the Bay and next weekend come out and rip shit and bust.
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Something Hawkes Bay will have to watch against Ta$man which frustrated the hell out of me against my Northland team last night,and supporting the Taniwha is frustrating in itself, Ta$man used a lazy runner in front of their ball carrier which they used as an obstruction,which hindered the line speed of the defenders,unfortunately neither we or the official were quite sharp enough to anything about it,which either meant taking that player as to attract attention to the official,or constantly get in the ear of the referee,mind you,thats hard work when Brendon Pickerill from North Harbour is the ref,NZs answer to Stuart Dickinson,
Hopefully your coaching staff have picked up on this,hard to believe your team with so much super rugby experience is struggling,i but i was glad to see you guys turnover Southland,they are such a boring niggley team.
Personally i hate these new breakdown laws,Hawkes Bay have always been great at the breakdown,and i wonder if that's where you problem is -
@Steven-Harris Yes I did notice that and I'm with you with the new breakdown laws. For me it takes away the contest and allows more forwards to be standing off thus removing good 1/1 opportunities for the backs. I admired Northlands approach last night and they very well may have given the blue print on how to beat Ta$man. In fact had they not been behind as much at halftime they could have won.
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@Steven-Harris Hope they kick them clear over the grandstand. It just doesn't provide a contest at the breakdown and players being smart exploid the law interpretation.
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yep have heard comments now from about 3 or 4 9s that dont like them, they say it makes it so much messier for them.
So many games you see the disruption with feet coming through hacking the ball.
I guess in theory it speeds the game up if you clear it quickly but with feet kicking through you need to commit more numbers to secure it cleanly.
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@taniwharugby said in Southland v Hawke's Bay:
yep have heard comments now from about 3 or 4 9s that dont like them, they say it makes it so much messier for them.
So many games you see the disruption with feet coming through hacking the ball.
I guess in theory it speeds the game up if you clear it quickly but with feet kicking through you need to commit more numbers to secure it cleanly.
After watching it for a few weeks now, and seeing how 9s have to gather a ball with forwards trying to kick the ball, it's only a matter of time before a halfback gets kicked against his head. I'm surprised it hasn't happened yet. One of the reasons for this rule change was to increase the safety of players by outlawing the diving etc, but if it has achieved anything, it hasn't become safer for halfbacks (or other players trying to clear the ball).
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