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Amazing...!.
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@Stargazer they just had that on TV1 News.
Dusty.
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Interestingly the bottom four teams of Eng Prem have 27 of 32 titles between them. How the mighty have fallen. Wasps playing their best team so far, Soapy can't even make the bench. Umaga to start at 10 - he can come back to NZ for the Canes, thanks.
EDIT oh Sopoanga might be ill.
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Gloucester vs Worcester.
The ref is bent. The match is a good argument for the TMO, correcting the ref from making an appalling decision on a try.
Also, how is Ackerman not red carded? South Africans love raising an elbow into the tackle. I played in a game very early this year where a player got the snot flogged out of him for doing the same thing.
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Haven't watched Premiership Rugby for a while. Now watching Leicester Tigers v Exeter Chiefs, and I'm surprised how often the ref just allows players diving into a ruck (clearly going off their feet). Breakdowns are really messy. Players living offside all the time, too.
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@Stargazer just watched the Quinn’s v Wasps game..plenty of boarder line offsides in this game that were not call by Wayne Barnes..Fekitoa looks a shadow of the player he once was..
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Ben Smith got a red card, this morning, in the game between Stade Francais and Pau.
I'm watching Toulon v Clermont at the moment and the commentators said that Smith was "a bit unlucky". Did anyone see what happened? -
Taufua flattens Hogg, on debut I think
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@Machpants Taufua had a great game, yesterday. Very dominant in that Tigers' pack, interestingly, playing in the 7 jersey.
He was voted Fans' Player of the Match.
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Poor tackle technique too. Rugby is still struggling for the balance between protecting the head and the defenders responsibility.
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To me, that's not a red card; maybe a yellow.
It's similar to Kerevi being penalised (just a penalty) for doing the same (except that first contact was with the chest) against Wales. -
@Stargazer said in NH club rugby:
@Machpants Taufua had a great game, yesterday. Very dominant in that Tigers' pack, interestingly, playing in the 7 jersey.
He was voted Fans' Player of the Match.
He's finally playing openside?
Damn, that's a rough red on Smith, fair enough give him a yellow for being careless but it was hardly a deliberate act aiming to maim an opposition player and therefore worthy of a red.
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@Toddy said in NH club rugby:
@Stargazer https://i.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/international/118403997/former-all-black-ben-smith-sent-off-on-debut-for-pau-in-french-top-14
Yes, that's a RC. Too many players fending away from their body with a forearm. If you're going to do that above someone's shoulders, you have to accept responsibility.
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it looked part bracing for the hit and part fend...I can see why the red was issued, but reckon YC would have been sufficient.
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If a defender comes in that high and close to you, it is reflex to raise an arm. It's going to be tough to stop those cards as players aren't doing it deliberately and red cards are unlikely to prevent them doing it. The tackler has to go lower to avoid an impact like that. Yes I know the onus is on Smith to avoid that sort of contact but it is pretty harsh.
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@Snowy said in NH club rugby:
If a defender comes in that high and close to you, it is reflex to raise an arm. It's going to be tough to stop those cards as players aren't doing it deliberately and red cards are unlikely to prevent them doing it. The tackler has to go lower to avoid an impact like that. Yes I know the onus is on Smith to avoid that sort of contact but it is pretty harsh
It pains me to say it. But I agree with Hooper here. Why is Smith being penalised to compensate for someone's awful tackle technique.
If a player gets injured tackling like that they need to take some responsibility for their own actions
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That's the stupidest red card decision I've seen in years. Weak sauce.
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@Kirwan said in NH club rugby:
That's the stupidest red card decision I've seen in years. Weak sauce.
😂😂😂
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@MiketheSnow said in NH club rugby:
@Kirwan said in NH club rugby:
That's the stupidest red card decision I've seen in years. Weak sauce.
😂😂😂
I'm not willing to say stupidest, because that is a packed field, but
It's right up there with the softest.
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I've just watched that again. Smith is defending his own head from a clash due to the "defender" coming in high. I don't think a player should be held accountable for protecting himself. I guess it would be interesting if he had let it happen, would the other player have been red carded for a dangerous tackle?
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@Snowy and possibly knocked out a player with previous concussion issues...
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@Snowy totally agree, I still feel the official needs to have a feel or some sort of empathy depending on the situation
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@Steven-Harris said in NH club rugby:
I still feel the official needs to have a feel or some sort of empathy depending on the situation
That was going to be my next comment - the refs are the sole arbiter of the law - which does give them discretionary power to use their own judgement. That can be a drawback at times but can also be beneficial to the game.
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@Snowy said in NH club rugby:
I've just watched that again. Smith is defending his own head from a clash due to the "defender" coming in high. I don't think a player should be held accountable for protecting himself.
The problem with that line of argument is you get the absurd "I was defending myself" defence at judiciary.
While you're perfectly entitled to brace, the forearm in that case has to be against your body, or stationary and not connecting above the shoulders of the defender, who is perfectly entitled to attempt a legal tackle.
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@Stargazer Let's hope that one is better than the first, which was a bit off.
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@Stargazer said in NH club rugby:
Precedent has been set with Jaco. Smith should be banned for that photo
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I was surprised this one didnt attract a card, around 1.08 given the way they were ruling things at the time.
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@Duluth It would be handy to have him and Luatua back in New Zealand.
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@MiketheSnow said in NH club rugby:
@Duluth said in NH club rugby:
Penalty try
Arm looked to be used to me.
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@booboo said in NH club rugby:
@MiketheSnow said in NH club rugby:
@Duluth said in NH club rugby:
Penalty try
Arm looked to be used to me.
Just the one with both my eyes open
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@MiketheSnow said in NH club rugby:
@booboo said in NH club rugby:
@MiketheSnow said in NH club rugby:
@Duluth said in NH club rugby:
Penalty try
Arm looked to be used to me.
Just the one with both my eyes open
Yeah, just the one
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taniwharugbyreplied to MiketheSnow on 1 Jan 2020, 07:41 last edited by taniwharugby 1 Jan 2020, 07:43
@MiketheSnow seen plenty where the leading shoulder arm has not wrapped, but the trailing arm has and its been ok, in that his leading shoulder arm (which is the one that could do more damage if just a shoulder charge) attempted to wrap, would have been a travesty if that was a PT, more so that if that was the case, it would have to have been a YC as well.
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Pretty much shows how bad value that NZ stars are to overseas clubs most of the time. For every Vito there are a dozen Sopoangas. It's bad for the club's performances, and both NZ and their player development. I regularly read all the 'players of the weekend' for Prem, T14, and Pro14 matches. It is really really rare to see a kiwi on that list. Boks and Islanders, yes. Kiwis and Ozzies? Nope.
So how about you clubs over there put yourselves in the black and stop paying stupid money for shit (in your comps) kiwi players!
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@Machpants
In the team of the decade for the Prem and Pro14 you have 2 kiwis in the prem and 3 in the Pro14. Compare that to the 1 saffa in the each, or the 1 Fijian in each (but yes, no aussies).Of course, I am counting Nacewa, Waldrom and Aki as kiwis. Nacewa and Waldrom are already back and I would bet Aki will be back eventually.
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